On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < mariusdumitru.flo...@xwiki.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Denis Gervalle <d...@softec.lu> wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > >> Even better: > >> http://tof.canardpc.com/view/19c9c68f-9dae-440e-ad82-3b8a6cc4623a.jpg > > > > > > Yes that one looks very cool to me but... :) > > > > I wonder if the name would not be better to be "Create". > > > > Since, I think we still need an another button in the page called "Add" > to > > add to the page: > > * annotations using modal (you may select, than use the button normally) > > * comment using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom) > > * attachement using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom), > > * objects using a modal (without necessarily needing to load all > existing > > objects for edit, so a page could show objects without having to manage > > addition of new ones, AWSeconds) > > > > > This way, the extradoc tabs could be hidden, independently of the > > comment/attachment functionality, and the pain of scrolling to the bottom > > is removed. > > Adding a comment or uploading a file using a modal box is fine. > Viewing the comments/attachments in a modal box is not a good idea > IMO. The user expects to see the comments/attachments after the > content. I don't think we can hide the extradoc tabs. Or maybe I > misunderstood. > I am only talking about adding here, not about viewing. Viewing is already provided either at the bottom or on a separate page, so the bottom get optional. > > > It give also some logic to those button, with a non-contextual > > create button, and a contextual add button. We could then allow > application > > to hook both of them depending on their needs. > > > > Another, a bit off-topic, remarks, is that in the More actions, > annotation > > should be isolated, and work like a toggle to display/hide them > (including > > the author filter box and the tooltips), without needing to click a > > seperate checkbox. > > > > WDYT ? > > > > > >> > >> 2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > >> gdelhum...@xwiki.com>: > >> > >> > So basically, you want: > >> > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg > >> > > >> > 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 vinc...@massol.net <vinc...@massol.net>: > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge (guilla...@xwiki.com > >> (mailto: > >> >> guilla...@xwiki.com)) wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Hi, > >> >> > > >> >> > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion > >> that > >> >> > would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The > >> idea > >> >> > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put > the > >> >> "Add" > >> >> > button in its place. > >> >> > > >> >> > Crude image explanation here: > >> >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png > >> >> > > >> >> > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu > that > >> >> is > >> >> > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to > >> this, > >> >> > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not > too > >> >> much > >> >> > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" > and > >> >> "More > >> >> > actions" buttons separated from one another. > >> >> > > >> >> > WDYT? > >> >> > >> >> Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create > >> >> button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me). > >> >> > >> >> FYI here’s what they have for: > >> >> - confluence: > >> >> > >> > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74/cff5f5253f8324d9dc760cb9380c61d9 > >> >> - jira: > >> >> > >> > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2/1f60d551a55a709cfc4aaca73dce9004 > >> >> > >> >> Thanks > >> >> -Vincent > >> >> > >> >> > Guillaume > >> >> > ᐧ > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > >> >> > > wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Hi, > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >> >> > > > vali...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > >> >> > > > > m...@guillaumelerouge.com> > >> >> > > > > wrote: > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Hi, > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) > < > >> >> > > > > > vali...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > >> >> > > > > guilla...@xwiki.com> > >> >> > > > > > > wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea > < > >> >> > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.flo...@xwiki.com> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > >> >> > > > > > > guilla...@xwiki.com> > >> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Hi again, > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume > >> >> "Louis-Marie" > >> >> > > > > > Delhumeau < > >> >> > > > > > > > > > gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < > >> >> > > > enygma2...@gmail.com > >> >> > > > > >: > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion > >> started > >> >> on > >> >> > > this > >> >> > > > > > > topic, > >> >> > > > > > > > > but > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> in > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people > start > >> >> being > >> >> > > > > confused > >> >> > > > > > > and > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked. > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is > >> >> > > problematic > >> >> > > > > IMO > >> >> > > > > > > for > >> >> > > > > > > > a > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds > >> >> > > page-related > >> >> > > > > > > entries > >> >> > > > > > > > > (i.e. > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current > >> >> location > >> >> > > > > (i.e. > >> >> > > > > > in > >> >> > > > > > > > the > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> page > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > content) > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of > >> >> > > livetables. > >> >> > > > We > >> >> > > > > > > would > >> >> > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available > when we > >> >> > > > > instantiate > >> >> > > > > > a > >> >> > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index > >> >> page, for > >> >> > > > the > >> >> > > > > > user > >> >> > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File > >> >> Manager > >> >> > > then > >> >> > > > :) > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Application#HFileLiveTable > >> >> > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with > >> >> support for > >> >> > > > > > custom > >> >> > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think? > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the > >> >> > > 'Actions' > >> >> > > > > > column > >> >> > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create' > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least > 3 > >> >> reasons > >> >> > > > why: > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is > that > >> >> the > >> >> > > > Actions > >> >> > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't > >> had > >> >> bulk > >> >> > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity > >> >> selection > >> >> > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each > row). > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" > >> >> column > >> >> > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, > and > >> >> also > >> >> > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded > to be > >> >> used > >> >> > > in > >> >> > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be > >> >> performed > >> >> > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a > >> single > >> >> > > element action compared to 'delete'. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is > >> more > >> >> of a > >> >> > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as > well > >> >> if you > >> >> > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions > >> >> column > >> >> > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox > >> >> column > >> >> > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to > go. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Thanks, > >> >> > > Eduard > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Guillaume > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks, > >> >> > > > > Caty > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas > the > >> >> > > > "actions" > >> >> > > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual > entries > >> >> that > >> >> > > > already > >> >> > > > > > exist > >> >> > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable > >> creator > >> >> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions > on > >> >> pages > >> >> > > > such > >> >> > > > > as > >> >> > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager) > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Best, > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Guillaume > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Thanks, > >> >> > > > > > > Caty > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Guillaume > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a > new > >> >> item of > >> >> > > > the > >> >> > > > > > same > >> >> > > > > > > > > type > >> >> > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right > now > >> we > >> >> do > >> >> > > this > >> >> > > > > in > >> >> > > > > > an > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a > generic > >> >> > > > solution. > >> >> > > > > > It's > >> >> > > > > > > > > also > >> >> > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation > module > >> >> (that we > >> >> > > > > don't > >> >> > > > > > > > have > >> >> > > > > > > > > in > >> >> > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it > >> >> > > > > > > > > > < > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+Number+Module > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ). > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, > the > >> >> new > >> >> > > > > location > >> >> > > > > > > > looks > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right > >> >> language > >> >> > > > > specific > >> >> > > > > > > > brains > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> are > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it > creates > >> >> (i.e. > >> >> > > > next > >> >> > > > > > to > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the > >> screen > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now > to my > >> >> mind) > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located > near > >> >> the Edit > >> >> > > > > > button, > >> >> > > > > > > > > even > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because > it > >> >> groups > >> >> > > the > >> >> > > > > > most > >> >> > > > > > > > > basic > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to > >> >> > > contribute: > >> >> > > > > > EDIT, > >> >> > > > > > > > ADD. > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since > it's > >> >> quite an > >> >> > > > > > > important > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> aspect > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color > (which > >> >> I like > >> >> > > > > :)), > >> >> > > > > > > it`s > >> >> > > > > > > > > hard > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > to miss. > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do > >> >> others see > >> >> > > a > >> >> > > > > > > problem > >> >> > > > > > > > > here > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > with this as well? > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks, > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Eduard > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> devs mailing list > >> >> devs@xwiki.org > >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhum...@xwiki.com) > >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhum...@xwiki.com) > >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > >> Committer on the XWiki.org project > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devs mailing list > >> devs@xwiki.org > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Denis Gervalle > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > devs@xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
