On 2 Oct 2014 at 13:31:56, Eduard Moraru
(enygma2...@gmail.com(mailto:enygma2...@gmail.com)) wrote:
> On that note:
> The funny/sad thing to realise is that we are basing all this discussion on
> the fact that some users did not find the "Add" button *only the first
> time* they tried to do something. The realization is that this is one of
> those things (idioms[1][2]) that you learn once and know how to easily do
> the next 1000x times (like riding a bike).
>
> The real problem appears when you are in those "next 1000x time" and you
> find it cumbersome to use (like riding a bike with no saddle, or with the
> saddle on backwards :) ). So in both cases (top or middle of the page) once
> you find it once, you will find it again, however in the middle of the page
> it conflicts too often with the Edit button and other page related actions,
> that it becomes cumbersome to use.
Indeed that’s something I had in mind too. If you just ask to add a page and
that’s all then you’re not doing a full test. You’d need to ask the user to:
- add a page
- delete a page
- move a page
- create a space
- etc
And then only you can draw some conclusion IMO.
Thanks
-Vincent
> Thanks,
> Eduard
>
> ----------
> [1] http://thor.info.uaic.ro/~evalica/hci/L2/
> [2] https://www.englishforums.com/English/IdiomsVsMetaphors/cqwl/post.htm
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, vinc...@massol.net
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 2 Oct 2014 at 11:06:00, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau (
> > gdelhum...@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhum...@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > I have done the "test-on-my-wife" thing :)
> > >
> > > She finds it more intuitive to add a page from the current page, so in
> > the
> > > current location, instead of the "black bar that gives the impression of
> > > not beeing a part of that page" (that she did not manage to find by
> > > herself).
> > >
> > > I then explained that the buttons inside the page only concern the
> > actions
> > > that you can do on that page, meanwhile adding a new page should be put
> > in
> > > an other location. She did not like this logic :)
> >
> > So with this logic we should remove the top bar completely and move all
> > actions inside the page, i.e. have only 1 menu inside the page. Because if
> > she couldn’t find the Add button there she also wouldn’t be able to find
> > all wiki-related actions, space-related actions and more importantly
> > **page-related** actions like copy page, rename page or delete page…
> >
> > Also would be fun to ask your wife to try using Confluence and see if she
> > fails to create a page there too.
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > Users' logic and developer's logic are not the same. I like the current
> > > location too, except that we should propose "create page" before "create
> > > wiki".
> > >
> > > I really would like to have some feedback of normal users, with the 2
> > > proposals. We, as developers, are not good at making things that look
> > > simple for other people, so we should not take this decision alone.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Guillaume Delhumeau
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