2014-10-02 1:59 GMT+02:00 Denis Gervalle <d...@softec.lu>: > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Denis Gervalle <d...@softec.lu> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > vali...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Denis Gervalle <d...@softec.lu> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > > vali...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Eduard Moraru < > > enygma2...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I kind of like this proposal. As Jeremie pointed out, we`re > more > > or > > > > > less > > > > > > > back where we started from, with the "improvement" that the > "Add" > > > > > button > > > > > > is > > > > > > > now in the middle of the page, hard to miss :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, if we also rename "Add" to "Create", the only downside is > > that > > > > > > awkward > > > > > > > feeling of more or less cloning Atlassian's UI. However, it's > > > never a > > > > > > > question of UI ownership or copying, but just of what works > best > > in > > > > > > > practice and what makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis asked some days ago why some things changed from the > original > > > > > > Flamingo proposal "which we all agreed on". Apparently this is > the > > > > reason > > > > > > some of the things changed: listening to different opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the reasons I'm a bit upset with these discussions is that > > > when > > > > we > > > > > > proposed Flamingo, a prototype was also available, so all these > > > > > 'concerns' > > > > > > should have been noticed earlier, not in 6.2.1. These kind of > > > > discussions > > > > > > should happen in the Proposal phase, not in the Testing phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I completely agree with you on that point. And this is true for UI, > > as > > > > well > > > > > as anything else on this project. We always need it realized to > > > received > > > > > criticisms. This probably a consequence of the fact that we are all > > > very > > > > > busy. That said, I do not remember seing a proposal that look like > > the > > > > > current result. And your initial proposal does not exhibit the > issue > > we > > > > are > > > > > actually discussing, which have been mainly started because of the > > add > > > > wiki > > > > > option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was always in the initial proposal > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x > > > > and more explicitly in the Menus section > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4xMenus > > > > > > > > > Cathy, you have not read me carefully, where do you see an option to > add > > a > > > wiki in those proposals ? > > > > > > > The current thread/discussion is about the new location of the "Add" > menu, > > not about the "Add Wiki" option (please use the other thread for that). > It > > was not started because of the "Add Wiki" option disagreement (that was > > just an example/excuse), but because this particular choice of location > was > > never discussed/argued to begin with, even if the proposal received a > > positive feedback as a whole. > > > > Ok, let keep the button in place in this thread, and move it in the other > one. How funny you are :) > > > > > > IMO, that just proves that we did not analyse the proposal well enough, > and > > maybe that some of us just preferred to assume stuff instead of > > asking/discussing. > > > > I think, that I have clearly agree on that. Moreover, the proposal was fine > for me (without the Add Wiki option),
When the proposal was made, the "multi-wiki" feature was not bundled properly in XE (I was working on it), so it could explains why it was not in the proposal. When I did the implementation, I thought it was natural to put the "Add wiki" item there, like I did for Colibri and like Workspaces was doing. This is why, at the end, the implementation is not 100% like the proposal. > and this is you that initiate a > discussion, after the fact, about the position of that button, isn't it ? > > > > > > I think we should focus more on making it right instead of finding > blame... > > > > Have I blame anyone in particular, I just blame all of us for not taking > enough care to proposals, and I also found us some excuse. What is wrong > with that ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also all the changes proposed in Flamingo, where discussed > before. > > We > > > > > used > > > > > > 'Add' naming because 'Create' was less used 'in the wild', was > > > shorter, > > > > > > etc. We moved the Add (from the Colibri position) because some > > users > > > > find > > > > > > it difficult to locate, wanted to improve the actions grouping, > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, what I am proposing actually only came from the current > > > > discussion > > > > > and the evolution of it. It is not always easy to imagine good UI > > > without > > > > > tasting it for real. I think we should not care too much, and we > > should > > > > > look forward to finally getting the best UI ever, even if the > process > > > is > > > > > not academic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > I liked the Colibri's 'Add' position and I just want us to make > > this > > > > > change > > > > > > because we think that is the best place for it, not because we > are > > > > > > influenced and think another product might have the magic > solution > > to > > > > our > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider that after a 'period of testing' that location is > > not > > > > the > > > > > > best place for the 'Add' button to be, than I agree we can > 'revert' > > > the > > > > > > change. IMO the menus are still not optimal, but I guess only > > testing > > > > > could > > > > > > give us an impartial answer. I would have liked a bit more time > to > > > test > > > > > > this solution with 'normal' users, and I hope we don't do this > > change > > > > > > because regular/advanced users had a hard time to adapt to it. I > > will > > > > > > repeat myself, I think skins are allowed to have differences (but > > > maybe > > > > > > testing different solutions would be more acceptable if we had > more > > > > skins > > > > > > or changed them more often). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think we are complaining because we are advance, only > > because > > > it > > > > > mixup "out of context" and "in context" actions. Which is for the > end > > > > user, > > > > > surely a source of confusion. > > > > > > > > > > Cathy, do not feel too upset of all these changes, you have made a > > > great > > > > > job preparing this new skin, it just need polishing as any of what > we > > > > do. I > > > > > know it is frustrating that preview are not look at carefully > enough, > > > but > > > > > that's life :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the addition of yet another "Add" button for > > page-related > > > > > > > entries, as suggested by Denis, I`m not sure it's such a good > > > idea. I > > > > > > never > > > > > > > did like modals that much in web interfaces and, AFAIK, they > are > > > not > > > > > > > recommended that much in HCI (Human-Computer Interaction) > classes > > > > > either, > > > > > > > for the simple reason that they are too volatile and are not > > > friendly > > > > > > with > > > > > > > the browser's "Back" button. I think we already have enough > > > shortcuts > > > > > in > > > > > > > the 'More Actions' section and the 'Edit' dropdown. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.flo...@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Denis Gervalle < > d...@softec.lu> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > > > Delhumeau > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Even better: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/19c9c68f-9dae-440e-ad82-3b8a6cc4623a.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes that one looks very cool to me but... :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if the name would not be better to be "Create". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since, I think we still need an another button in the page > > > called > > > > > > "Add" > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > add to the page: > > > > > > > > > * annotations using modal (you may select, than use the > > button > > > > > > > normally) > > > > > > > > > * comment using a modal (without having to scroll to the > > > bottom) > > > > > > > > > * attachement using a modal (without having to scroll to > the > > > > > > bottom), > > > > > > > > > * objects using a modal (without necessarily needing to > load > > > all > > > > > > > > existing > > > > > > > > > objects for edit, so a page could show objects without > having > > > to > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > addition of new ones, AWSeconds) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This way, the extradoc tabs could be hidden, independently > of > > > the > > > > > > > > > comment/attachment functionality, and the pain of scrolling > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > is removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a comment or uploading a file using a modal box is > fine. > > > > > > > > Viewing the comments/attachments in a modal box is not a good > > > idea > > > > > > > > IMO. The user expects to see the comments/attachments after > the > > > > > > > > content. I don't think we can hide the extradoc tabs. Or > maybe > > I > > > > > > > > misunderstood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It give also some logic to those button, with a > > non-contextual > > > > > > > > > create button, and a contextual add button. We could then > > allow > > > > > > > > application > > > > > > > > > to hook both of them depending on their needs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another, a bit off-topic, remarks, is that in the More > > actions, > > > > > > > > annotation > > > > > > > > > should be isolated, and work like a toggle to display/hide > > them > > > > > > > > (including > > > > > > > > > the author filter box and the tooltips), without needing to > > > > click a > > > > > > > > > seperate checkbox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > > >> gdelhum...@xwiki.com>: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > So basically, you want: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 vinc...@massol.net < > > > > > vinc...@massol.net > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge ( > > > > > > guilla...@xwiki.com > > > > > > > > >> (mailto: > > > > > > > > >> >> guilla...@xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Hi, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came > to a > > > > > > > suggestion > > > > > > > > >> that > > > > > > > > >> >> > would fix my issue with the current location of the > add > > > > > button. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > >> idea > > > > > > > > >> >> > would be to move the search bar to the left of the > > menu, > > > > and > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> >> "Add" > > > > > > > > >> >> > button in its place. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Crude image explanation here: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, > not > > > in > > > > a > > > > > > menu > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >> >> is > > > > > > > > >> >> > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In > > > > > addition > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> this, > > > > > > > > >> >> > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized > > users, > > > > it's > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > >> >> much > > > > > > > > >> >> > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of > having > > > the > > > > > > "Edit" > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> >> "More > > > > > > > > >> >> > actions" buttons separated from one another. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > WDYT? > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > Create > > > > > > > > >> >> button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense > to > > > > me). > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> FYI here’s what they have for: > > > > > > > > >> >> - confluence: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74/cff5f5253f8324d9dc760cb9380c61d9 > > > > > > > > >> >> - jira: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2/1f60d551a55a709cfc4aaca73dce9004 > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Thanks > > > > > > > > >> >> -Vincent > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Guillaume > > > > > > > > >> >> > ᐧ > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru > > > > > (Valica) > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > vali...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume > > Lerouge > > > < > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > m...@guillaumelerouge.com> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina > > Moraru > > > > > > > (Valica) > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > vali...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume > > > > Lerouge > > > > > < > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > guilla...@xwiki.com> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius > > > Dumitru > > > > > > > Florea > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.flo...@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, > > Guillaume > > > > > > Lerouge > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > guilla...@xwiki.com> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Hi again, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > >> >> "Louis-Marie" > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard > > > Moraru < > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > enygma2...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > >> started > > > > > > > > >> >> on > > > > > > > > >> >> > > this > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > topic, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I > see > > > > > people > > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > >> >> being > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > confused > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to > be > > > > asked. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu > in > > > > > Flamingo > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > >> >> > > problematic > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > IMO > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression > > that > > > > it > > > > > > adds > > > > > > > > >> >> > > page-related > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > entries > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due > to > > > its > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > >> >> location > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > in > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> page > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > content) > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new > > > > Entry" > > > > > > > button > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true > > > for a > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >> >> > > livetables. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > We > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be > > > > > available > > > > > > > > when we > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > instantiate > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > a > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for > the > > > > wiki > > > > > > > index > > > > > > > > >> >> page, for > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > the > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > user > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM > homepages... > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table > > from > > > > the > > > > > > File > > > > > > > > >> >> Manager > > > > > > > > >> >> > > then > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > :) > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Application#HFileLiveTable > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a > > > toolbar > > > > > > (with > > > > > > > > >> >> support for > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > custom > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't > you > > > > think? > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already > > > > covered > > > > > by > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 'Actions' > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > column > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is > > the > > > > > > > 'Create' > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can > > see > > > > at > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > > >> >> reasons > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > why: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only > > > > difference > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Actions > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution > > because > > > > we > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > >> had > > > > > > > > >> >> bulk > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make > > multiple > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > >> >> selection > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the > entries > > on > > > > > each > > > > > > > > row). > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that > > the > > > > > > > "Actions" > > > > > > > > >> >> column > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with > > > checkboxes > > > > > in > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> >> also > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should > be > > > > > > expanded > > > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > >> >> used > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Not completely replaced because not all > > > > operations/actions > > > > > > can > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > >> >> performed > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice > > that > > > > it > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > >> single > > > > > > > > >> >> > > element action compared to 'delete'. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' > action > > > > since > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > >> more > > > > > > > > >> >> of a > > > > > > > > >> >> > > single element action, but can be presented as a > bulk > > > > > action > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > >> >> if you > > > > > > > > >> >> > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar > and > > > the > > > > > > > actions > > > > > > > > >> >> column > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and > > having > > > a > > > > > > > checkbox > > > > > > > > >> >> column > > > > > > > > >> >> > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the > > > right > > > > > way > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > go. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Eduard > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new > > > entry, > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > "actions" > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > column is for actions that are related to > > > > individual > > > > > > > > entries > > > > > > > > >> >> that > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > already > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the > > > > > livetable > > > > > > > > >> creator > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle > > > bulk > > > > > > > actions > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > >> >> pages > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > such > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > as > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file > > > manager) > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the > user > > > > > create > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > >> >> item of > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > the > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > same > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > type > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the > > > livetable. > > > > > > Right > > > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > >> we > > > > > > > > >> >> do > > > > > > > > >> >> > > this > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > in > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > an > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great > to > > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > > generic > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > solution. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name > > > > generation > > > > > > > > module > > > > > > > > >> >> (that we > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > don't > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an > > > extensions > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+Number+Module > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ). > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page > > > from > > > > a > > > > > > far, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> >> new > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > location > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as > > > > > > left-to-right > > > > > > > > >> >> language > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > specific > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > brains > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> are > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top > > either > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of > > > elements > > > > > it > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > >> >> (i.e. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > next > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the > > > middle > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> screen > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t > come > > > > right > > > > > > now > > > > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > >> >> mind) > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it > is > > > > > located > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > >> >> the Edit > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > button, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current > > page. > > > > > > Because > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > >> >> groups > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > most > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need > when > > > you > > > > > want > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> >> > > contribute: > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > EDIT, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > ADD. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on > > this, > > > > > since > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > >> >> quite an > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> aspect > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny > > green > > > > > color > > > > > > > > (which > > > > > > > > >> >> I like > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > :)), > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > it`s > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > to miss. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to > > > change, > > > > > or > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > >> >> others see > > > > > > > > >> >> > > a > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > with this as well? > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Eduard > > > > > > > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> >> devs mailing list > > > > > > > > >> >> devs@xwiki.org > > > > > > > > >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > > > > >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhum...@xwiki.com) > > > > > > > > >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > > > > >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > >> Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhum...@xwiki.com) > > > > > > > > >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > > > > >> Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> devs mailing list > > > > > > > > >> devs@xwiki.org > > > > > > > > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Denis Gervalle > > > > > > > > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > > > > devs@xwiki.org > > > > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > > > devs@xwiki.org > > > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > > devs@xwiki.org > > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > devs@xwiki.org > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Denis Gervalle > > > > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > devs@xwiki.org > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > devs@xwiki.org > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Denis Gervalle > > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > devs@xwiki.org > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > devs@xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Denis Gervalle > SOFTEC sa - CEO > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhum...@xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
