> On 19 Aug 2016, at 09:58, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:00 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >> ok I’ve started. >> >> 3 things: >> >> * I’ve started defining what we mean by a recommended app, see >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ExtensionCode/RecommendedExtensions/ >> * I’ve processed the first 2 pages of the LT on the home page of e.x.o. (ie >> the first 60 extensions) and I’ve marked 11 as recommended so far: >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ExtensionCode/RecommendedExtensions/ >> * I’m hesitating for the following extensions. Specifically I need to know >> what their authors think and whether they’re ok to support them actively. I >> also don’t know them enough to know of their quality. Feel free to comment >> on them. >> >> - >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Recent+Blog+Entries+Macros/ >> ? >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/SunkenFlamingoTheme/ >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/RtForm/ >> - >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Realtime+Netflux+Frontend/ >> - >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Realtime+Netflux+Backend/ >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XQuiz/ >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Condition+Macro/ >> - >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Suggest+LiveTable+Filter+Macro/ > >> - >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Let%27s+Encrypt+support/ > > This one will probably end up in XE in not too long anyway. > >> - >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Derzelas+Script+Runner/ >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XCarousel/ >> - >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Wiki+Analyzer+Application/ >> - >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Event+Listeners+Administration/ > >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Script+API >> Note: we will expose the filter app, should we also expose the API? > > No need to recommend this one for final users IMO, it's only supposed > to be used as a dependency since it's mostly a script service.
So we need to set up a rule on this: A) Do we want Recommended extensions to be only for users and not for devs? For example: http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/JIRA+Module (it’s not used as any dependency of any other module) My opinion: it’s ok not to list them we should only recommended end user extensions (i.e. for users & for admins but not for devs). B) When we have extensions that are installed as dependencies of other recommended extensions should we not list them? For example, I’ve recommended http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/JIRA+Administration/ but it’s a dependency of http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/JIRA+Macro My opinion: it’s ok not to list extensions that are dependencies of recommended extensions, *unless* there are use cases for using them directly. WDTR? Thanks -Vincent > >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/ZoneEdit+Macro >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/SVG+Rasterizing+API >> - >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Trusted+Headers+Authentication+Adapter >> - >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Trusted+authentication+framework >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Mail+address+encryptor >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XWikiTube >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XFF+Maven+Plugin >> Note: wrong author!!! >> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Rights+UI+Simplifier >> > > You should also recommend > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XWiki+Authenticator+Trusted+LDAP > (until I find time to merge it with > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/LDAP/Authenticator/). > >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> The result is here: >> >>> On 18 Aug 2016, at 19:36, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I’m starting the work on this. BTW several of you have replied about EM but >>> this mail was only for “e.x.o” FTM (see the subject). >>> >>> The idea is to implement something similar to what Caty proposed at >>> http://markmail.org/message/cr5edm27qcag6n3q >>> >>> I’m starting the work. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>> >>>> On 23 May 2016, at 10:39, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi devs, >>>> >>>> We have a lot of entries on extensions.xwiki.org (869 as of today) and >>>> this causes some problems for our users: >>>> >>>> P1) A lot of them are not of good quality (they don’t work with the latest >>>> versions, they are complex to use, they’ve not been updated for a long >>>> time and are doing old and deprecated ways of doing things such as not >>>> providing an entry in the Applications Panel for example, they’re not just >>>> polished, etc) and this causes frustrations for our users. Note that this >>>> also reflects on the overall quality of the XWiki project and product. >>>> >>>> P2) It’s hard for users to locate good extensions among the rest. >>>> >>>> We’ve started addressing P1) by introducing ratings on e.x.o. This is not >>>> fully successful so far because we don’t have enough people voting and >>>> because those ratings are not used to display/filter extensions on the >>>> Extensions LT or inside XWiki in the EM UI. So we need to continue this >>>> effort. >>>> >>>> Note that this proposal is not addressing non-extensions such as snippets >>>> which we’ll need to move elsewhere at some point but that becomes less >>>> important with the proposal below. >>>> >>>> Proposal >>>> ======= >>>> >>>> I’d like to propose an additional strategy that, IMO, is better suited for >>>> the size of our community: curation. Curation is the process of >>>> hand-selecting the best extensions and marking them as recommended. The >>>> idea would be to list recommended extensions first on the e.x.o home page, >>>> in the EM UI in XWiki and even in extension search results. In the EM UI, >>>> an idea would also be to have a new “Recommended Extensions” filter in >>>> addition to the existing filters (core extensions, installed extensions, >>>> etc) and that would be the default filter on the “Add Extensions” UI. >>>> >>>> I propose to add a “Recommended” xproperty in the Repository app for that. >>>> We can decide whether we want this just for e.x.o or committed in the >>>> Repository app in xwiki-platform. >>>> >>>> Then we need to decide about the curation process: >>>> >>>> * The XWiki core committers are in charge (i.e. have the responsibility) >>>> of monitoring the apps that are marked “Recommended”, ie. validating that >>>> it’s done correctly. XWiki core committers have the authorization to unset >>>> an app that was marked a recommended by a community member. >>>> * We wouldn’t offer a simple way in the UI to mark an extension as >>>> recommended since we don’t want everyone who has an account on xwiki.org >>>> to start marking apps as recommended. OTOH we want to allow people from >>>> the xwiki community to help out. So the way to mark an extension as >>>> recommended would be to use the object editor (for now, we can define a >>>> better implementation mechanism later on). >>>> * We define some basic rules that extensions need to follow at minimum to >>>> be accepted as recommended. These will be our guidelines to avoid conflict >>>> of opinions (although there’s always the possibility in which case it’s >>>> resolved through a vote): >>>> - Need to work on LTS + latest XWiki version (ie. ATM that would be 7.4.x >>>> and 8.1) >>>> - Need to present a polished aspect and be easily usable >>>> - Need to follow most of the best practices defined on >>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/ApplicationDevelopmentBestPractices. >>>> Some important examples: technical pages are hidden, extension is >>>> registered in the app bar when it makes sense, extension is >>>> internationalized (if it makes sense), pages are in xwiki syntax 2.0+. >>>> >>>> WDYT? >>>> >>>> I’m willing to help do the work and mark extensions as recommended. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
