> On 29 Aug 2016, at 18:09, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> On 29 Aug 2016, at 17:29, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> should "ratings" or "active installs" be part of the Recommended >> definition? >> > > Actually my question was: in the recommended definition should we have a > threshold for a value of extension's rating or active installs count in > order to be recommended? For example: diagram app has 88 active installs, > but no rating, etc. > We could decide what is recommended based on a count of active installs > > 50 and an average rating > 3, for example. This way we could automate the > recommended process and also it would encourage extension authors to rate > their extensions, while seeing how used the extensions are.
I don’t think we can automate it. And I wouldn’t even try. Re ratings, the main point of Recommended is because ratings doesn’t work :) On http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ExtensionCode/RecommendedExtensions/ there are extensions with low count and other with high values. Note that it wouldn’t work either in the some cases as for the Stats app which we’ve removed from the core and retire because it’s not good enough (it has a high number of installs because it was bundled ;)). Thanks -Vincent > Thanks, > Caty > > > >> >> Re http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/ >> Ratings+Application I may have missed it. How do you use it? (the doc is >> not clear). >> >> Does it have an admin UI section for configuring it? How do you enable it >> for a given space only for example? >> >> Re Active Installs I haven’t put since I don’t see why we would recommend >> it. It’s only useful for xwiki.org IMO. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> Thanks, >>> Caty >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> One difference between Recommended and Supported could be that "it's >>>> demonstrating an advanced use case build on top of XWiki and user's >>>> installing it could see the power/benefits of XWiki". Unfortunately even >>>> this "definition" is subjective. >>>> >>>> So my big problem is that I don't really understand how to say if an >>>> extension is recommended or not, and how this status is >>>> evolving/deprecating a particular extension over time. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Caty >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How does an extensions looses it's "Recommended" status? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Caty >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Not a core Extension (i.e. not bundled by default in the base XWiki >>>>>> Distribution)" >>>>>> >>>>>> extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Templates+Application/ >> is >>>>>> bundled >>>>>> extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Tour+Application is >>>>>> bundled >>>>>> extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/CKEditor+Integration is >>>>>> bundled >>>>>> >>>>>> I find http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Notes+A >>>>>> pplication to be not very complex. >>>>>> >>>>>> Missing: >>>>>> - Blog (which is currently bundled) >>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Flash+m >>>>>> essages+application >>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/ >> TotemApplication >>>>>> was also interesting >>>>>> - what about Repository app? >>>>>> >>>>>> Do we also provide a way for users to filter what apps are bundled >> (and >>>>>> maybe implicitely supported/recommended)? >>>>>> What about extensions that have "XWiki Development Team" as author? >> Are >>>>>> they implicitly supported/recommended? Is there a way to filter and >> see >>>>>> what they are? >>>>>> What is the difference between supported and recommended? Is it >>>>>> documented somewhere? Should the users care about this difference? >> (maybe >>>>>> the answers are found above in the thread, but I don't remember any >>>>>> conclusion) >>>>>> >>>>>> "Don't recommend extensions that are installed as dependencies of >> other >>>>>> recommended extensions, unless there are end-user use cases for using >> them >>>>>> directly." >>>>>> This means we don't support the apps dependencies? And in this >> category >>>>>> we have some macros: fullcalendar, pdfviewer, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Caty >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Latest news: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * I’ve finished reviewing all extensions on e.x.o >>>>>>> * The list of extensions that I consider recommended (there are 26 as >>>>>>> of now) is available at http://extensions.xwiki.org/xw >>>>>>> iki/bin/view/ExtensionCode/RecommendedExtensions/ >>>>>>> * There are some extensions that I don’t know well enough to know if >>>>>>> they could be recommended (not sure if they have active support, how >> well >>>>>>> they work on latest XE, etc): http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/ >>>>>>> bin/view/Proposal/RecommendedExtensionsSelection >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To @Extension creators: please review the list and let me know if you >>>>>>> have some extensions that you’d like recommended (make sure to check >> the >>>>>>> criteria defined at http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/ >>>>>>> bin/view/Proposal/RecommendedExtensionsSelection). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Next steps: >>>>>>> * Modify the extension sheet to visually see when an extension is >>>>>>> recommended >>>>>>> * Modify the e.x.o home page to highlight Recommended Extension (see >>>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/cr5edm27qcag6n3q ) >>>>>>> * Modify EM to add the notion of Recommended >>>>>>> * Merge back the new Recommended field in the Repository Application >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 22 Aug 2016, at 11:20, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’ve started a wiki page to track which extensions we’re not sure >>>>>>> about (whether they should be recommended or not): >>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/RecommendedE >>>>>>> xtensionsSelection >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please edit it if you have opinion/knowledge about them (or reply on >>>>>>> this thread and I’ll do the syncing). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note that for an app to be recommended it must follow the rules >>>>>>> defined on >>>>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/RecommendedE >>>>>>> xtensionsSelection#HWhatisaRecommendedExtension >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 18 Aug 2016, at 21:00, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ok I’ve started. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3 things: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * I’ve started defining what we mean by a recommended app, see >>>>>>> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ExtensionCode/Rec >>>>>>> ommendedExtensions/ >>>>>>>>> * I’ve processed the first 2 pages of the LT on the home page of >>>>>>> e.x.o. (ie the first 60 extensions) and I’ve marked 11 as >> recommended so >>>>>>> far: http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/ExtensionCode/Rec >>>>>>> ommendedExtensions/ >>>>>>>>> * I’m hesitating for the following extensions. Specifically I need >>>>>>> to know what their authors think and whether they’re ok to support >> them >>>>>>> actively. I also don’t know them enough to know of their quality. >> Feel free >>>>>>> to comment on them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Recent+ >>>>>>> Blog+Entries+Macros/ ? >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/SunkenF >>>>>>> lamingoTheme/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/RtForm/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Realtim >>>>>>> e+Netflux+Frontend/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Realtim >>>>>>> e+Netflux+Backend/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XQuiz/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Conditi >>>>>>> on+Macro/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Suggest >>>>>>> +LiveTable+Filter+Macro/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Let%27s >>>>>>> +Encrypt+support/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Derzela >>>>>>> s+Script+Runner/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XCarousel/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Wiki+An >>>>>>> alyzer+Application/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Event+L >>>>>>> isteners+Administration/ >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+ >>>>>>> Script+API Note: we will expose the filter app, should we also expose >>>>>>> the API? >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/ZoneEdi >>>>>>> t+Macro >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/SVG+Ras >>>>>>> terizing+API >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Trusted >>>>>>> +Headers+Authentication+Adapter >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Trusted >>>>>>> +authentication+framework >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Mail+ad >>>>>>> dress+encryptor >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XWikiTube >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/XFF+Mav >>>>>>> en+Plugin Note: wrong author!!! >>>>>>>>> - http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Rights+ >>>>>>> UI+Simplifier >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The result is here: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 18 Aug 2016, at 19:36, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m starting the work on this. BTW several of you have replied >>>>>>> about EM but this mail was only for “e.x.o” FTM (see the subject). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The idea is to implement something similar to what Caty proposed >> at >>>>>>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/cr5edm27qcag6n3q >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m starting the work. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 23 May 2016, at 10:39, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi devs, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We have a lot of entries on extensions.xwiki.org (869 as of >>>>>>> today) and this causes some problems for our users: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> P1) A lot of them are not of good quality (they don’t work with >>>>>>> the latest versions, they are complex to use, they’ve not been >> updated for >>>>>>> a long time and are doing old and deprecated ways of doing things >> such as >>>>>>> not providing an entry in the Applications Panel for example, >> they’re not >>>>>>> just polished, etc) and this causes frustrations for our users. Note >> that >>>>>>> this also reflects on the overall quality of the XWiki project and >> product. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> P2) It’s hard for users to locate good extensions among the rest. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We’ve started addressing P1) by introducing ratings on e.x.o. >> This >>>>>>> is not fully successful so far because we don’t have enough people >> voting >>>>>>> and because those ratings are not used to display/filter extensions >> on the >>>>>>> Extensions LT or inside XWiki in the EM UI. So we need to continue >> this >>>>>>> effort. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that this proposal is not addressing non-extensions such as >>>>>>> snippets which we’ll need to move elsewhere at some point but that >> becomes >>>>>>> less important with the proposal below. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Proposal >>>>>>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’d like to propose an additional strategy that, IMO, is better >>>>>>> suited for the size of our community: curation. Curation is the >> process of >>>>>>> hand-selecting the best extensions and marking them as recommended. >> The >>>>>>> idea would be to list recommended extensions first on the e.x.o home >> page, >>>>>>> in the EM UI in XWiki and even in extension search results. In the >> EM UI, >>>>>>> an idea would also be to have a new “Recommended Extensions” filter >> in >>>>>>> addition to the existing filters (core extensions, installed >> extensions, >>>>>>> etc) and that would be the default filter on the “Add Extensions” UI. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I propose to add a “Recommended” xproperty in the Repository app >>>>>>> for that. We can decide whether we want this just for e.x.o or >> committed in >>>>>>> the Repository app in xwiki-platform. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Then we need to decide about the curation process: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * The XWiki core committers are in charge (i.e. have the >>>>>>> responsibility) of monitoring the apps that are marked >> “Recommended”, ie. >>>>>>> validating that it’s done correctly. XWiki core committers have the >>>>>>> authorization to unset an app that was marked a recommended by a >> community >>>>>>> member. >>>>>>>>>>> * We wouldn’t offer a simple way in the UI to mark an extension >> as >>>>>>> recommended since we don’t want everyone who has an account on >>>>>>> xwiki.org to start marking apps as recommended. OTOH we want to >> allow >>>>>>> people from the xwiki community to help out. So the way to mark an >>>>>>> extension as recommended would be to use the object editor (for now, >> we can >>>>>>> define a better implementation mechanism later on). >>>>>>>>>>> * We define some basic rules that extensions need to follow at >>>>>>> minimum to be accepted as recommended. These will be our guidelines >> to >>>>>>> avoid conflict of opinions (although there’s always the possibility >> in >>>>>>> which case it’s resolved through a vote): >>>>>>>>>>> - Need to work on LTS + latest XWiki version (ie. ATM that would >>>>>>> be 7.4.x and 8.1) >>>>>>>>>>> - Need to present a polished aspect and be easily usable >>>>>>>>>>> - Need to follow most of the best practices defined on >>>>>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/ApplicationDev >>>>>>> elopmentBestPractices. Some important examples: technical pages are >>>>>>> hidden, extension is registered in the app bar when it makes sense, >>>>>>> extension is internationalized (if it makes sense), pages are in >> xwiki >>>>>>> syntax 2.0+. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’m willing to help do the work and mark extensions as >> recommended. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> devs mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
