Correction to the correction: They are OpenJDK, got confused by the Oracle logo. :)
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: > Correction, the above are Oracle builds, not OpenJDK :) > > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> AFAIR, Eclipse also does this (i.e. bundle their own JRE), we could look >> into how they do it. >> >> On a quick check, OpenJDK's JRE is only 38.4 MB ( >> http://jdk.java.net/java-se-ri/8) ... I find that acceptable. >> >> FTR, the JDK is 164 MB. >> >> Thanks, >> Eduard >> >> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Thomas Mortagne < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> One issue with embedded Java (OpenJDK I guess) is that it would make >>> the zip quite huge. >>> >>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > On the palliative side (i.e. not actually fixing, but at least making >>> life >>> > a bit easier), we might consider a naming scheme for the downloadable >>> that >>> > includes that supported java version, e.g. xwiki-10.3-java8.zip (though >>> > this might also lead users to thinking that the java 8 runtime is >>> > included... which might not be that bad of an idea, if we think about >>> it... >>> > at least for the zip version that is for demo purposes, which already >>> > contains the web server, the database, but still expects the user to >>> > understand and install the correct Java runtime, which makes no sense.) >>> > >>> > So, yeah... TL;DR: add the java8 runtime to the .zip package and make >>> life >>> > easier for everyone. Optionally (though not sure if needed anymore, if >>> we >>> > bundle it), include it in the .zip file name. >>> > >>> > Of course, the production install, if done manually (i.e. not through >>> > .deb/.rpm packages), expects that the user reads the documentation. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Eduard >>> > >>> > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hi devs, here’s a feedback we received, FYI. >>> >> >>> >> Ideas? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks >>> >> -Vincent >>> >> >>> >> > Begin forwarded message: >>> >> > >>> >> > From: Vincent Massol >>> >> > Subject: Re: Get started with XWiki >>> >> > Date: 14 May 2018 at 09:10:06 CEST >>> >> > To: XXX >>> >> > Cc: XXX >>> >> > >>> >> > Hi Christian, >>> >> > >>> >> >> On 12 May 2018, at 14:25, Christian XXX wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> It's not working. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> And as usual ith java, the log does not help. Maybe if I were an >>> >> expert? But an app is supposed to be installed by just 'smart' users, >>> not >>> >> experts. >>> >> > >>> >> > If you choose the easy installation methods we propose then it’s >>> easy >>> >> and you have nothing to do. >>> >> > >>> >> > Which distribution did you choose and use? >>> >> > >>> >> >> And there is no help from the website. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Oracle Linux 7. >>> >> >> Linux localhost.localdomain 4.1.12-124.14.5.el7uek.x86_64 #2 SMP >>> Fri >>> >> May 4 15:26:53 PDT 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux >>> >> >> Java 10 >>> >> >> Xwiki 10.3 >>> >> >> tomcat. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> If it is not compatible whith this java. It should not install. >>> >> > >>> >> > It’s just not been tested with Java 10 yet. It’s not even fully >>> working >>> >> with Java 9. >>> >> > >>> >> > Note that it’s hard to check for the java version for all the >>> >> distributions since XWiki is a webapp and the XWiki WAR can just be >>> dropped >>> >> in a servlet container and thus we don’t have a startup script and a >>> place >>> >> where we can put a check. All we could do is have a Servlet Listener >>> that >>> >> would emit a big stack trace (like the one you got) and that would >>> say at >>> >> the innermost level that XWiki requires Java <= 8. But even that >>> wouldn’t >>> >> be good since it would prevent testing in Java 9+. We want feedback >>> from >>> >> users about what works/what doesn’t work so improve support for Java >>> 9 and >>> >> 10. >>> >> > >>> >> >> If it is compatible with only one version of java, which one? >>> >> > >>> >> > You need to read the installation page ;) >>> >> > >>> >> > See http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Documentation/ >>> >> AdminGuide/Installation/ and especially: >>> >> > http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Documentation/ >>> >> AdminGuide/Installation/#HHardwareandSoftwarerequirements >>> >> > >>> >> >> Here is the error: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Error number 4001 in 4: Error while evaluating velocity template >>> >> colorThemeInit.vm >>> >> >> Error number 4001 in 4: Error while evaluating velocity template >>> >> colorThemeInit.vm >>> >> >> com.xpn.xwiki.XWikiException: Error number 4001 in 4: Error while >>> >> evaluating velocity template colorThemeInit.vm >>> >> > >>> >> > [snip] >>> >> > >>> >> >> Caused by: java.lang.IllegalStateException: No standard field >>> found >>> >> for reverse order comparator! >>> >> >> at org.jboss.marshalling.river.Protocol.<clinit>(Protocol. >>> >> java:276) >>> >> >> ... 249 mor >>> >> > >>> >> > [snip >>> >> > >>> >> >> Caused by: java.lang.IllegalStateException: No standard field >>> found >>> >> for reverse order comparator! >>> >> >> at org.jboss.marshalling.river.Protocol.<clinit>(Protocol. >>> >> java:276) >>> >> >> ... 249 mor >>> >> > >>> >> > What this says is that JBoss Infinispan (which we use) is not >>> compatible >>> >> with Java 10. Apparently this is fixed in recent version of JBoss >>> >> Marshalling: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBMAR-216. We probably >>> just >>> >> need to wait for JBoss Infinispan to release a new version that uses >>> JBoss >>> >> Marshalling 2.1.0.Final. >>> >> > >>> >> > What would be awesome would be for you to report the problem of >>> using >>> >> XWiki with Java 10 on https://jira.xwiki.org so that we can have an >>> issue >>> >> for it and work to make it work. >>> >> > >>> >> > Note that I’m replying to this message to help you out but it’s not >>> the >>> >> right place to post a question and get help normally. For that we >>> have a >>> >> user forum at https://forum.xwiki.org/. >>> >> > >>> >> > I’m sorry you had some issues. OTOH you’re looking for trouble by >>> trying >>> >> with Java 10. There are very few (if any!) java app that currently >>> work >>> >> with Java 9 and 10. You’d be much better off using Java 8. On the >>> positive >>> >> side, if you raise the issue on https://jira.xwiki.org, then you will >>> >> transform your negative experience into a positive one, by >>> contributing to >>> >> the development of XWiki and helping out future users. >>> >> > >>> >> > Thanks >>> >> > -Vincent Massol >>> >> >>> >> [snip] >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >>> >> >> >
