Layton has every right to express his opinion, and this discussion about the rioting has indeed including questions regarding the role of the digital divide in either causing it or as a way to prevent it. It is not my job to censor people's opinions. As long as people are trying to be constructive and are not creating a flame war, they have the right to say their opinion, just as you have your right to disagree with what is being said. I just ask you to do it with civility and respect for other list members - and telling someone that their opinion is "the biggest load of crap" does not help the dialogue in any way. Disagree with them and prove them wrong, if you want, but don't belittle them. -- ----------------------------------- Andy Carvin Program Director EDC Center for Media & Community acarvin @ edc . org http://www.digitaldivide.net Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com -----------------------------------
________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Life in Hackney Sent: Sun 11/13/2005 7:04 PM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group; Layton E. Olson Subject: RE: [DDN] Europe's digital divide (fwd) This is a criticism of both the moderator of the list for allowing the posting as well as the actual contribution by Layton Olson 'LEO' I don't know whether to just say this is the biggest load of crap or to say do Americans go out of their way to make parodies of themselves - ie expressing views that just confirm to the rest of the world that they exist in a US centric world of misinformation and deep misunderstanding of other lives / worlds? If you really think these few lines (see below) in any way relate to either the situation in Ireland, the entrenched racism in the UK including inter racism, let alone the sheer appalling offensiveness of thinking it is okay to say 'not too many bombs' - as well as displaying your ignorance about St Paul's, Nottinghill, Bradford, Birmingham, and so on, and so on, And Andy as the list moderator, I think you allow far too many personal ramblings that have absolutely nothing to do with tackling the digital divide - and quite honestly I sometimes think you just don't understand how discrediting it is to the list to allow postings that are basically statements of people's prejudices - and most of these are US based And it is just possible, that if you stopped the endless musings of Americans with too much time on their hands that you might actually learn how people for whom it actually means something - not for those it appears to be an elitist hobby they can indulge in - are tackling the digital divide. I expect you to ask LEO to make an apology via the list - or confirm that I can answer each of the dumb points of his posturing remarks - without you censoring or with holding my post. Personally I think the list will be better off moderated by someone with a little less ego and a little less cultural imperialism. JW At 21:57 11/11/2005, Layton E. Olson wrote: >Today's unrest for persons in U.K. is reminder of Easter 1916 rebellion >in Ireland, as U.K. was in the middle of not solving the Irish Question >politically internally, which seems only to have come into a modicum of >peace (not too many bombs, assassinations in Ireland or London) in the >past decade. > >Layton > >Layton E. Olson, Esq. >Howe & Hutton, Ltd. >20 N. Wacker Dr., Suite 4200 >Chicago, IL 60606 >312-263-3001 Fax: 312-372-6685 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >www.howehutton.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave A. >Chakrabarti >Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:52 PM >To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group >Subject: Re: [DDN] Europe's digital divide (fwd) > > >Actually, Don, it's being argued that much of the rioting was instigated >by blog postings and other technology-driven innovations on the part of >the youth involved, ranging from mass-SMS to a giant blog site run by a >radio station (will have to find the link for this). > >I would also argue that providing technology tools is a step in the >right direction, towards empowerment. However, the ability to organize >as a community can also be warped to translate into the ability to >organize a riot, since this is also an extreme example of community >organizing. Instead of becoming a tool of needed empowerment, I think >technology is currently being portrayed as a tool of excess empowerment, >to be feared by the proponents of the status quo. The media reviewed the >blogging factor in the same light as media websites being hacked by >radical elements, on the general theme of "youth have all of this scary >technology, the police are powerless, we should all fear" ...which I >think is an extremely negative, though extremely typical, media >position. > >An example, from the Washington Post: http://tinyurl.com/e2rwu > >A more moderate review of blogs commenting on France from Yahoo News: >http://tinyurl.com/774sr > >Fearmongering might hurt technology initiatives in Europe, and also pave >the way for greater governmental controls / oversight on freedom of >speech and access to technology, simply to prevent another France >incident. How can we portray (publicly) a distinction between blogging, >which is a tool several of us use and promote, and malicious hacking / >defacing? As long as the two are mentioned in the same breath, and the >media is shedding such negative light on blogging as a technology, we're >liable to face major obstacles in promoting CTC-like work. > >For example, can you imagine the negative publicity if a blogger is >convicted of inciting riots, and it later comes out that they learned >how to use the internet, or learned how to blog, as a result of a >community technology initiative? Funders will not be keen to go anywhere >near that possibility. I'm worried that the word "blog" might itself be >gaining very negative connotations...and media coverage of the rioting >in France is going to hurt community technology efforts far more than it >will open people's eyes to the positive potential inherent in technology >education. > > D. > > >-- > >Dave A. Chakrabarti >Projects Coordinator >CTCNet Chicago > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(708)919-1026 > >-- > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 11/11/05 9:04:54 AM Central Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > writes: > > > > > >>Study Says Europe Has Digital Divide > >> > >>BRUSSELS, Belgium - A digital divide has appeared among Europeans, > >>with age, income and education determining whether the continent's > >>citizens use the Internet, according to a new European Union study > >>released Thursday. Eurostat, the EU's statistics agency, said its > >>survey which gathered information from across the 25-nation bloc > >>revealed a digital divide, especially between the young and those over > > >>50 years old, many of whom have never or hardly use computers or use > >>them to go online > > > > > > In practical terms, I wonder how much of the current rioting in > > France, which is likely to spread to other "disconnected" communities > > in Europe, could be minimized by spreading more widely the benefits > > that could be derived from access to connectivity and Internet skills. > > > Perhaps none. Perhaps some. Perhaps more in the longer term than >immediately. 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