On 05/04/2016 10:23 AM, deadalnix wrote:
We need to acknowledge that there are system of oppression that keep women and people of color out of programming,
Hard to tell for certain, but you ARE being sarcastic/joking about this, right?
It's touchy, because I've come across people who actually do genuinely believe the field has things in place deliberately to exclude women/ethnicities...even though...those VERY SAME people have never once been able to provide a SINGLE CONCRETE EXAMPLE of any of these alleged mechanisms they believe so strongly to exist. Not only that, but I've yet to come across an anti-minority or anti-female programmer, and even if such creatures exist, they're undeniably var too much in the minority to have any real large-scale effect on "keeping people out". The vast majority that I've seen are far more likely to *dislike* the field's current gender imbalance.
In much the same way programming is predominantly male (or "a goddamn sausage-fest" as I see it), nursing is predominantly female. So why did none of US pursue careers in nursing? Was it because we hit roadblocks with systems in place within the nursing field designed to exclude males? Or was it because we just plain weren't interested and had the freedom to choose a field we DID have interest in instead?
Systems DO undeniably exist, for this very field, that are very plainly and deliberately sexist or racist though...but just not in the way some people believe. Unlike the others, I CAN provide a real concrete verifiable example: There are a lot of Computer Science grants and scholarships for students that list "female" or "non-caucasian" (or some specific non-caucasian race) as a mandatory requirement. I came across a bunch of those when I was trying to get financial aid for college. But there are NONE that require "male" or "caucasian" - it would never be permitted anyway, they'd get completely torn to shreds (and for good reason). The only ONE I did hear of was only a publicity stunt to point out the hypocrisy of all the sexist anti-male grants/scholarships.
Verifiable fact: My sister paid considerably less than I did for each year of college even though we came from EXACTLY the same economic background, exactly the same city/town, exactly the same ethnicity, nearly the same age (and yet she's slightly younger, so if anything, increasing tuition rates would have worked AGAINST her), and one of our respective colleges was even the exact same school. And her pay now is (considerably) higher than mine, and she works in a field that's known to pay LESS than my field.
Anti-female systems in place? Bull fucking shit. Anyone who claims there are: put up REAL fucking examples instead of parroting vacuous rhetoric or shut the fuck up forever.
I've had far more than enough of the mother fucking baby-goddamn-boomers and GI-generation dragging THEIR bullshit war-of-the-sexes out the the goddamn 1950's where it belongs and forcing it onto MY 1980's+ generation. I literally grew up subjected to a constant barrage of "*GIRLS* can do/be ANYTHING they want", never a goddamn word about guys except to constantly villanize us and demand that we're always the enemy, even though *3* motherfucking decades separated me from all YOUR historic sexist crap, so, boomers, goddamn GI's, and the younger idiots they've infected with their "this is still 1950, and we must war against the oppressive males" propaganda, hurry up and die so we can finally be rid of YOUR legacy and the sexism you create and maintain. Fuck the pendulum, just stop the goddamn thing right in the middle already. People are morons.
