On 31 January 2018 at 09:43, Joakim via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 19:45:51 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: >> >> On Sunday, 4 January 2015 at 08:31:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: >>> >>> This is an idea I've been kicking around for a while, and given the need >>> for commercial support for D, would perhaps work well here. >>> >>> [...] >> >> >> By the way, in case you are interested in this path personally still, I'd >> be willing to pay for D support, tuition, help with getting stuck, code >> review etc for colleagues. Not for patches that aren't immediately open >> sourced, but we fixed windows paths on DMD for example, and there might be >> scope for occasional paid work on dmd and dub like that. Also porting >> headers. > > > I appreciate the offer, but I'm not looking for paying work on the D > language. I understand the assumption most make that I'm looking to make > money off the D language itself by pushing this commercial model, but I'm > actually not interested in developing language-related software like > compilers, tooling, or the standard library, even if paid for it. I got > stuck porting much of those D tools for Android, but it's a one-time > excursion for me. > > What I'm actually interested in is using D to make commercial Android apps, > and while I think D is a great language already, I think it could be made > better by using this commercial model I've sketched out. And the better D > is, obviously the better any commercial apps I develop with it. > > Back when I first wrote about mixing open and closed source like this in my > 2010 Phoronix article, nobody considered it a world-beating model. Maybe > people now assume I'm just keying these ideas off the success of Android in > using a similar mixed model, but my article was published when Android had > only single-digit market share so I hardly paid attention to it, as it was > only one of a gaggle of mobile OS's competing at the time: > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Market_share > > While I had heard of a few companies using similar mixed models here and > there, none were that successful back then, so my article was based mostly > on theory. I think the evidence since then has proven that theory > resoundingly accurate, given all the huge projects, such as Android, iOS, > Safari, Chrome, LLVM/clang, using mixed models now. Even Microsoft, who > used to look askance at open source, has gotten in the game, open-sourcing > .NET and several of their other projects. > > In my article, I added another elaboration where even closed-source patches > are eventually open-sourced, which I still believe to be the endgame of how > this market eventually develops, even though AFAIK I'm still the only person > that ever used that time-limited model on an actual project, which is > mentioned in the article's prologue. Such open-sourcing happens in an > ad-hoc manner right now, where a company will develop a proprietary module > for a mixed codebase and then eventually open-source it if they feel like > it: > > http://www.brianmadden.com/opinion/Samsung-contributes-KNOX-to-Android-Open-Source-Project-Is-this-the-end-of-Android-Fragmentation > > My time-limited model makes sure all source is made open eventually, once > the developers have been paid for their work. > > As for the other paid work you mention, I'm actually not a very experienced > D dev, probably about intermediate level. I did take some assembly language > programming classes back in my college days decades ago, so I was able to > figure out the low-level details needed to get D working on Android. > > I'm sure you can find much better D devs to contribute such work by posting > bounties on the D or ldc bountysource pages: > > https://www.bountysource.com/teams/d > https://www.bountysource.com/teams/ldc-developers >
I was surprised to see a gdc bounty page. I was even more surprised that the one notable bounty is an issue that's either blocked by Walter, or waiting on someone to implement array op templates in druntume/object.d. :-)
