On 2011-06-30 17:29, simendsjo wrote: > On 01.07.2011 02:19, Jonathan M Davis wrote: > > On 2011-06-30 15:59, simendsjo wrote: > >> On 01.07.2011 00:49, Simen Kjaeraas wrote: > >>> On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 23:52:38 +0200, Daniel Gibson > >>> > >>> <metalcae...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> Am 30.06.2011 23:50, schrieb KennyTM~: > >>>>> On Jul 1, 11 05:39, bearophile wrote: > >>>>>> Jonathan M Davis: > >>>>>>> Actually, I find the backticks to be by far the most pleasant way > >>>>>>> to get raw > >>>>>>> strings in D. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't have backticks on my keyboard, so I use them only when they > >>>>>> are needed. They have even removed the backticks in the Python2 -> > >>>>>> Python3 transition partially because of this (and partially because > >>>>>> there is a more obvious way to do it in Python, and Python tries to > >>>>>> keep only one obvious way to do things). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Bye, > >>>>>> bearophile > >>>>> > >>>>> Python's `xyz` is equivalent to repr(xyz). I think it is removed in > >>>>> Python 3 more because `...` is not worth the specialness as repr(). > >>>>> But D's `...` is much more worthy as a convenient literal syntax > >>>>> when involving '"' or '\'. > >>>>> > >>>>> (I know some keyboard doesn't have '[' and ']'. So having no '`' > >>>>> shouldn't be the reason it is removed from the language.) > >>>> > >>>> Keyboards without []? This makes programming nearly impossible O_O > >>> > >>> And standard Norwegian layout has them on AltGr+8/9. The pain. > >>> But using US int'l has the added advantage of confusing the hell out > >>> of my cow-orkers when they try to use my confuser (which has thus > >>> earned that title :p). > >> > >> Switch to programmer dvorak and they'll never touch your computer again. > > > > I switched to dvorak _and_ got one of these: http://www.kinesis- > > ergo.com/advantage.htm > > > > No one is going to be using my computer with my keyboard. Though > > honestly, as much as I like dvorak, I wouldn't advise that anyone switch > > to it. Too many programs assume qwerty, so all of their shortcuts are > > designed for it. Stuff like the shortcuts for cut, copy, and paste are > > on completely different places on the keyboard and don't work as well > > (only cut can be done with just your left hand). I had to completely > > remap vim to be able to use it. Other programs need their keys or > > shortcuts remapped to work very well. It just causes problems for stuff > > that assumes qwerty. So, it's likely more pain than its worth. My > > keyboard is awesome regardless of whether you use qwerty or dvork > > though. I can actually type numbers on it without looking, which I could > > never do on a normal keyboard, because the keys aren't vertically > > aligned on a normal keyboard. It's expensive, but I'm quite happy that I > > bought it. > > > > - Jonathan M Davis > > Looks ergonomically "correct", but pretty massive.
It's not really any wider than a normal keyboard, and it's only a little deeper (in spite of the fact that it has that gap in the middle). However, it is much taller. So, it works most anywhere that a normal keyboard would, but it won't work very well in some places where height matters (e.g. keyboard trays). - Jonathan M Davis
