On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:57:56 -0800, Walter Bright
<newshou...@digitalmars.com> wrote:
On 12/2/2011 2:15 PM, Adam Wilson wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:15:55 -0800, Walter Bright
<newshou...@digitalmars.com>
wrote:
On 12/2/2011 11:29 AM, Gour wrote:
Moreover, developing something from the scratch woudl require enormous
amount of time in comparison with *just* providing higher-level D-ish
API for some of the already available GUI toolkit.
Developing a D GUI from scratch is way beyond our reach at the moment.
People
have spent enormous efforts developing GUI libraries for other
platforms,
there's no good reason for not leveraging their efforts.
I absolutely agree. However, I don't thank that we should exclude the
possibility of building a scratch library either.
At some point, a decision has to be made.
Consider that existing successful GUI libraries have had *enormous*
resources poured into them. That just is not possible in the D community
right now. And even if it were, do we really want to wait 5 years for it
to be built?
Of course, if someone still wants to develop a D GUI from scratch,
nobody is going to stop them.
I wouldn't suggest that the community wait for a native UI; only that
because it takes so long, now is the best time to get started.
Full speed ahead with wxD and DWT! They represent a path of least
resistance that should absolutely be exploited.
It's not just the code involved. It's the tutorials, web sites,
manuals,
support, etc., that would have to be reinvented. By developing a D
interface
to an existing one, none of that has to be developed.
This is too true. But if it was easy, everybody would be doing it. You
could say
the same thing about compilers, but that didn't stop you ... :-)
Frankly, I think a compiler is much easier to build. .
Hehe, well, I've found myself completely unable to wrap my head around
compilers ... but I studied game development in school and I find graphics
pretty easy to work with. I guess it comes down to where our expertise
lies. Too each his own?
My intention is not to draw away any devs who could potentially work on
DMD/Phobos, in fact I want them working hard on those because without
them any
work I do is pointless, and in some cases impossible (showstopper bugs
and ICE's
are rather annoying like that). I suspect that it'll be a case of "me,
myself,
and I" working on a native UI for D for quite some time. But at the
same time, I
want to continue to have conversations with the community at large,
probably
mostly about design and whatnot. If there are people who really want to
help I
won't turn them away, but I'll avoid actively recruiting to make sure
that
DMD/Phobos gets first pick, as they should. Sound good?
That's fine if you want to do that.
Already started to; i've been laying down the skeleton and learning D at
the same time. I like the language. But I think I'll leave language design
to those who understand it best and stick to what I know. I suspect that
this is going to be a "me, myself, and I" project for some time. I'm ok
with that. :-)
--
Adam Wilson
Project Coordinator
The Horizon Project
http://www.thehorizonproject.org/
