On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:52:19PM +0200, so wrote: > On Monday, 15 October 2012 at 21:29:11 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > >If you think forbidding templates/STL is crazy, wait till you hear > >about the people who insist that const is evil and ban it from their > >codebase. (That was from before C++11, though, I don't know what > >their reaction would be now that key parts of the language _require_ > >const. Maybe they've migrated to VB or something. :-P) > > > > > >T > > I can somewhat understand not using STL as the library assumes you are > using certain paradigms, but they sometimes doesn't do the job. It is > similar to phobos being designed GC in mind. > > But if you are not even using templates, why bother? For OOP? I would > never move to C++ for OOP, since you are also losing something quite > important in the process, interoperability with other languages. Most > (maybe all) languages (i know) have some kind of interface to C. With > C++ you lose that one too. [...]
I dunno, maybe they like struct names being specifiable without the struct keyword (I always find that awkward when switching back to C after dealing with C++ code). :-P It *is* a pretty crazy idea to prohibit STL, seeing as STL is what makes writing container-related C++ code bearable. I have horrible memories of the Bad Old Days when I must've reinvented linked lists at least 20 times, just because STL didn't exist in those days. When templates first came out, I was elated that finally I didn't have to implement Yet Another Linked List. Perhaps it took that kind of experience to appreciate templates. :-) People who didn't have to suffer through these kinds of limitations often don't appreciate what templates offer. (And that's C++ templates, with all their warts, not even speaking about D templates -- which are on a whole 'nother level.) T -- One reason that few people are aware there are programs running the internet is that they never crash in any significant way: the free software underlying the internet is reliable to the point of invisibility. -- Glyn Moody, from the article "Giving it all away"
