You would think so, but look at the band plan, and then at who is the lead
for IARU within region 2  (ARRL).  They say 1800-18930 CW, yet do not say
that on their own US Amateur Bands chart, or at least recommend it.  Phone
doesnt show up on there, until 1840-1850 DX window.

One hand doesnt know what the next is doing.

We need INTERNATIONAL band plans.  Get all three regions together in a room
and make them stay there until they get a bandplan agreement - with teeth.


Danny Douglas N7DC
ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all
DX 2-6 years each
.
QSL LOTW-buro- direct
As courtesty I upload to eQSL but if you
    use that - also pls upload to LOTW
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Mayfield - AA5J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Clarification : Establishing digital
calling/beacon frequencies


> It seems to me that the IARU Region 2 bandplan should at least be
> consulted as part of the subject process..
> See http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_HF_Band_Plan.html.
>
> 73 de AA5J
>
> Danny Douglas wrote:
>
> > As to the 160 meter band, I was taken aback by your comment about
> > operating
> > digital outside of 1800- 1810 bandplan. Bandplans are arbitary and
> > there is
> > NO force of law in them as far as I know- and are voluntary. Now -
> > subbands
> > ARE of course the mandantory rules and are the subject of last weeks
> > changes
> > in separating modes. The chart, put out just last week, of US Amateur
> > Bands
> > shows the 160 band with NO partition at all, and indeed over in the Key,
> > says of 160:
> > "CW,RTTY,DATA, PHONE, IMAGE" The only note of distinction in this whole
> > band comments that "amateurs operating from 1900-2000 khz must not cause
> > harmful inteference to the radiolocation service and are afforded no
> > protection from radiolocation operators"
> >
> > Where did you get the information that digital MUST stay within the
> > first 10
> > kc. I would say there must be something wrong with that, or the chart
the
> > ARRL has supplied is incorrect, but I have other charts showing the same
> > thing. That would be interesting, as I have been using PSK in several
> > places on the band, but never below about 1.840, for a couple of years
> > without any squwak from the FCC, or anyone else.
> >
> > As to 20 meters, you are correct that the majority of RTTY appears to be
> > above 14080, but I have heard it as low as 14.074 on non-contest QSOs.
> > Give
> > a contest and people go wild and you hear RTTY as low as 14.010, which
is
> > really irritating to a CW op. Most all of the PSK I have worked (128
> > countries to date) have been on 20 meters, and all of it within the
> > 14.069-14.073 bandwidth. The other digital modes have all been around
> > 14.065 - 14.070. This is the reason I was recommending the lower side of
> > PSK rather than just above it. I havent called CQ on the other modes,
> > above
> > the PSK area, but typically when I have answered others they are below
it.
> > Right now, with such poor conditions I am hearing no digital signals
> > at all
> > on 20. I have worked few digital stations (other than RTTY) on 15-10 so
> > dont know how those separate out. Also have not been digitally active
> > on 80
> > or 40 all that much either. Mostly, I look for DX and those dont afford
me
> > "new ones" very often. The 160 meter band is an exception there, as I
> > figure that "new ones" should be easier on PSK than SSB or even CW- but
so
> > far that has not been the case, for really long distance ops. I just
dont
> > think enough people are using the band with PSK or other new digital
> > modes.
> >
> > Your last comment: " Perhaps it would not incur the wrath of the FCC if
we
> > operated
> > > voice and then also transmitted data and fax and image in between
voice
> > > transmissions, but do it in the voice/image part of the band?"
> > would appear to be exactly what we should be doing. It would keep the
> > voice
> > part out of the lower piece of the band and
> > place both it and the images together - and as per my above - is totally
> > legal according to the charts. I was hoping that would be what we
> > would see
> > on the other bands as well, but guess that is still not to be.
> >
> > Danny Douglas N7DC
> > ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA
> > SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all
> > DX 2-6 years each
> > .
> > QSL LOTW-buro- direct
> > As courtesty I upload to eQSL but if you
> > use that - also pls upload to LOTW
> > or hard card.
> >
> > moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
> >
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