Rick wrote:
> Dave seems to have the high ground on this discussion. Some of Jose's
> comments lately seem to be very specious, which surprises me since he
> has normally been fairly logical in his comments. I am concerned that
> Jose is claiming that Dave does not accept the hidden transmitter issue,
> which is preposterous! I have seen Dave's comments many times and a
> major concern that he and others have is that there is the hidden
> transmitter effect. What is going on here, Jose? I think at the very
> least an apology is in order for deliberately misconstruing Dave's
> actual viewpoints.
Rick, initially I understood he was denying the existence of the
hidden station. It has not been my intention at all to deliberately
miscontrue his viewpoint.
I accept I am fallible and that may have I misunderstood his point
when reading not in a full context. I may have been misled.
English is not my mother tongue. I gain nothing in discrediting
anyone on a false ground, that is also unnacceptable to me.
David himself has explained that he assumed the Winlink's position
to deny its validity. But initially I understood the contrary, which
left me bewildered. I have not seen anywhere such a denial made by
the Winlink team themselves.
I have been after the truth, and nothing else. I understand the
hidden station effect is UNDENIABLE, and I find the denial of a
proven physical unnaceptable, to say the least.
What is needed? An apology that it was a misunderstanding? Haven't I
told it already in a implicit way? It appears in the last paragraph
you quote. If a explicit phrase is needed, here it goes:
Mr. Bernstein, sorry if I misunderstood you.
Is that OK now, Rick?
But I have seen my statements misconstrued, and attempts that I
justify things I did not state. Objectively, persisting in the
clarification of every tiny detail has solved nothing, and
actually has led to a verbal escalation. It is a worthless
endeavour.
Jose, CO2JA
> If Winlink 2000 proponents claimed that there is no hidden transmitter
> problem, then they are on denial of basic physics. There can even be non
> reciprocal two way transmissions where one signal is much stronger in
> one direction than the other.
>
> Arguing about who is operates on the air the most is completely specious
> and tells me that the person arguing that point realizes they are
> unable to support their position. I am not sure if I have ever worked
> Dave or Jose but does it really have anything to do with the topic? Of
> course it does not. An SWL can see what is going on.
>
> The only reason that the busy signal detector was not further developed
> for use by the automatic stations in the Winlink 2000 system is a
> decision made by the owners of the system. Not because it did not work,
> since it worked very well.
>
> Steve, K4CJX and Rick, KN6KB have said repeatedly over the years, that
> they welcome additional programmer assistance but they claim that no one
> who has agreed to work with them will follow through and they gave up on
> them. They used to make this claim about Linux support as well.
>
> Now Dave, you are claiming that three of the top programmers of radio
> amateur software in the world offered to help Winlink 2000 and they
> turned you down? When did this happen? Before they developed SCAMP?
>
> Why didn't you and Peter and Bob give some consideration to a PSKmail
> type of system which gets around some of the shortcomings of Winlink 2000?
>
> 73,
>
> Rick, KV9U
>
>
>
>
> Dave Bernstein wrote:
>> Dave said:
>> *** Actually, Jose, I recruited Bob N4HY and Peter G3PLX to work with
>> me on developing a soundcard-based protocol that would replace Pactor
>> as the transport for Winlink. But the WinLink guys made it clear that
>> they would never use it, so we stopped.
>>
>>
>> Jose said:
>> Your repeated postings about this anti Winlink stuff, as I
>> understood, denying the existence of the hidden station effect. If
>> you finally admit it DOES exist, that's OK with me.
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