On 01/06/2015 02:17 PM, Marcus Müller wrote:
>Is the input impedance of your scope 1Mohm or 50 ohms?
Yes, it is 1 Mohm,

Well, in that case, your power consideration is not really correct; the LFTX is designed for 50 Ohm load impedance; so, for meaningful measurements, you'd have to measure the voltage over 50 Ohm. I'm not really sure how much current the opamp on the LFTX is designed to source, but I think adding a 50 Ohm load would reduce the current through the negative feedback resistors R4/R7 (and in turn reduce the bias over R33-R3/R35-R6) , which might change your measurements significantly.

Greetings,
Marcus
The AD8047 is designed for a max of 50mA drive current. If you do the math, that's plenty.

I believe that Khalid was terminating in 50Ohms resistive, so with a 1Mohm impedance across that, the scope input impedance will hardly make any difference at all--it should "see" the voltage developed across that 50Ohms, without noticeably changing it.



On 01/06/2015 08:09 PM, khalid.el-darymli wrote:
Yes, it is 1 Mohm, and my probe is set to 1X.

Khalid


On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Nick Foster <bistrom...@gmail.com <mailto:bistrom...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Is the input impedance of your scope 1Mohm or 50 ohms? You sure
    you have the voltage multiplier (1x/10x) set correctly?

    On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:01 AM, khalid.el-darymli
    <khalid.el-dary...@mun.ca <mailto:khalid.el-dary...@mun.ca>> wrote:

        >> Trying setting a gain in your sink block of, let's say,
        20dB, with a magnitude of 0.9.  What power output do you get?
          How are you measuring power?

        This gives me 23.2 mV (peak to peak). This is the reading I
        get from a scope connected to a T. For the input ends of the
        T, one end is connected to a 50-ohm terminator and the other
        end is connected to the output from LFTX. This gives a power
        of: 30+10 log_10[{23.2e-03/[2*sqrt(2)]}^2/50]= *-28.711* dBm.

        >> What is your flow-graph actually doing?  Have you tried both
        connectors on the LFTX?

        Simple, a signal source (Sine) block directly connected to a
        USRP Sink block.
        Yes, both connectors on the LFTX daughterboard give the same
        voltage reading.

        Thanks,
        Khalid










        On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Marcus D. Leech
        <mle...@ripnet.com <mailto:mle...@ripnet.com>> wrote:


            >> Output power is determined largely by baseband signal
            magnitude in that case.
            Yes, I understand. And I noticed that for baseband
            signal with an amplitude *> 1, * the pass-band signal
            gets clipped off. So I assume that an amplitude of 1 for
            the baseband signal should deliver the maximum output
            power (for the pass-band signal).

            My question was, what is the maximum power one can get
            for the pass-band signal output from LFTX? In your
            earlier reply, you said it is around +7dBm, am I getting
            this right? In my case, for a baseband amplitude of
            around 1, I am only getting *-28.13dBm*, much less than
            what you said, I am not sure,*why?*

            Thanks,
            Khalid

            For a magnitude of ~1, you should see maximum amplitude
            signals coming out of it.

            You could try setting gain, but on any platforms with
            VGAs in the DAC, there's only about 6dB of gain range
            settable.  Trying setting a gain in your
              sink block of, let's say, 20dB, with a magnitude of
            0.9.  What power output do you get?   How are you
            measuring power?  What is your flow-graph
              actually doing?  Have you tried both connectors on the
            LFTX?




            On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Marcus D. Leech
            <mle...@ripnet.com <mailto:mle...@ripnet.com>> wrote:

                Thanks Marcus for your reply.

                >> Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of +7dBm,
                maybe a little more.

                >> The LF/BASIC series have *no* gain in either
                path, so you're just looked
                at buffered ADC ouput.

                So, ~ *+7dBm* is the max output power I supposed to
                get from the LFTX daughterboard? How do I get that?

                Since I am only getting -28.13 dBm, does that mean
                I have some issue with my LFTX daughterboard?


                Khalid


                Output power is determined largely by baseband
                signal magnitude in that case.









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                Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 10:13:45 -0330
                From: "khalid.el-darymli" <khalid.el-dary...@mun.ca
                <mailto:khalid.el-dary...@mun.ca>>
                To: "Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org
                <mailto:Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org>"
                <discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org
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                Subject: [Discuss-gnuradio] Max Output Power from
                the LFTX
                daughterboard
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                Hi,

                What is the maximum output power from the LFTX
                daughterboard when used with
                the USRP N200?

                According to this datasheet [1], the N200 with the
                WBX daughterbaord
                provide an output power of 15 dBm. However, when
                using the LFTX
                daughterboard, I am getting a much less output power.
                [1]
                
http://www.ettus.com/content/files/07495_Ettus_N200-210_DS_Flyer_HR.pdf

                In GNU Radio with the USRP N200, we use a sinusoid
                with a frequency of 150
                kHz and an amplitude of 0.98, fed into the LFTX
                daughterboard for a center
                frequency of 5 MHz. When the output of LFTX is
                plugged into a scope
                terminated with a 50-ohm terminator, the scope
                reads 24.8 mV
                (peak-to-peak). This is around -28.13 dBm.

                Is this the max power one can get out of the LFTX
                daughterboard?


                Thanks.

                Best regards,
                Khalid
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                On 01/06/2015 08:43 AM, khalid.el-darymli wrote:
                > Hi,
                >
                > What is the maximum output power from the LFTX
                daughterboard when used
                > with the USRP N200?
                >
                > According to this datasheet [1], the N200 with
                the WBX daughterbaord
                > provide an output power of 15 dBm. However, when
                using the LFTX
                > daughterboard, I am getting a much less output power.
                > [1]
                >
                
http://www.ettus.com/content/files/07495_Ettus_N200-210_DS_Flyer_HR.pdf
                >
                > In GNU Radio with the USRP N200, we use a
                sinusoid with a frequency of
                > 150 kHz and an amplitude of 0.98, fed into the
                LFTX daughterboard for
                > a center frequency of 5 MHz. When the output of
                LFTX is plugged into a
                > scope terminated with a 50-ohm terminator, the
                scope reads 24.8 mV
                > (peak-to-peak). This is around -28.13 dBm.
                >
                > Is this the max power one can get out of the LFTX
                daughterboard?
                >
                >
                > Thanks.
                >
                > Best regards,
                > Khalid
                Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of +7dBm,
                maybe a little more.

                The LF/BASIC series have *no* gain in either path,
                so you're just looked
                at buffered ADC ouput.



                --
                Marcus Leech
                Principal Investigator
                Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium
                http://www.sbrac.org


-- Marcus Leech
                Principal Investigator
                Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium
                http://www.sbrac.org





-- Marcus Leech
            Principal Investigator
            Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium
            http://www.sbrac.org




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