No, I do agree, that Fax blasting is WRONG. That does cost people money. Email Does Not. Just like if your are watching TV and you see an ad. You have a choice to watch it or NOT. In your Snail Mail. You can through the letter away or NOT. I just don't think people should be able to cry spam, when 75% of the time, they have signed up for something somewhere and they just forget about it. I am a webhost. Not a reseller either. I do not shut down my clients for spam, unless the person who sent it cannot verify that the person in some way either emailed them FIRST, or asked for it. Maybe it's that the person placed a free Classified ad, and they did not READ the TOS for placing such. You must agree to accept that companies Ezine which is upto 3 times per week, or something like that. I just can't stand it when people cry SPAM, when it's NOT really. Look at companies like AOL. It's an American Based Company, and they have their own deffinition of Spam. As does Earthlink, and many others. I just think they should come up with ONE rule, and stick to it. Like how Congress has passed a law on Spam, that as long as a email contains X and X and X, Then it's NOT spam. X being critical factors. Then when people ask to be removed, and they are NOT removed, they should get a fine or something like that, to keep the "balance" on the internet. I just don't think that their should be 1000 different laws as to what constitutes Spam. If that is the case, and say you have a customer, who falls under the laws of one land, and their laws say something like, you CANNOT send them a email, unless you know that person, and they are keen to recieving your email. Then your system sends them a email, and they get say, 7 at the same time. So they forward them all to the "Spam Police", and get them all into trouble, including you, and they are your Customer. Just because they are you customer, don't mean you have the right to send them email, and that is a what I'm talking about. Their should be ONE set of "laws". and it should be VERY clear what they are. I don't think you should LOSE your ISP, but have to pay a fine for every time you "Break" The law. Yes opinions are like but holes, everyones got them and they all stink. I know mine does to a lot of people, but I think that is the way it should be. Filters work, but they could also filter out GOOD email. Like maybe a domain Expiration warning. Things like that.
anyways, Not everyone agrees with what I think, and I don't agree with what everyone thinks. Life goes on.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Swerve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "POWERHOUSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "opensrs discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:56 AM Subject: Re: Spamming > With all due respect, your thinking doesn't apply to me. > In fact, your notion that people who don't want to hit delete are lazy is > utter crap. > > SPAM is 21st century mental garbage that consumes time and mental energy. > > If you want to spend 20 minutes a day going thru 7000 spam messages, > that's your choice. In 5 years it'll probably be 80,000 messages an hour. > Not kidding. > > Feel free to sign up for opt-in email lists up the wazoo. You'll get all > the spam you want that way. Don't expect others to want to wade thru 80,000 > messages a day. Don't describe them as lazy, because they aren't. > > I just had a conversation with A fax spammer who didn't give a flying truck > about wasting my ink, my paper, my time or the earth's resources. He said, > i'm not a potential customer and he didn't care. What a selfish, ignorant > assLohe. > > It's attitudes like that, that give business and people a bad name. > > Repeat offenders should be fined per SPAM. Say 25$.- $100. > > Shut 'em down. > > Swerve > > > > > From: "POWERHOUSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Organization: Service Enterprises Global Network > > Reply-To: "POWERHOUSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:03:32 -0600 > > To: "Swerve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Spamming > > > > Maybe, but there should be ONE set of rules, not 1000, that keep changing. > > Some companies defintion of spam is so severe, that if someone > > just lies, and sends a email, they asked for, to the company as spam, the > > company shuts them down. I think that is stupid, since a lot of times > > it's just that people are WAY to sensative. like "Oh, you stepped on my > > toes, I just hate hitting that darn delete button. I'll tell you what, I > > would > > rather be lazy, I don't want to have to delete them, so just don't send them > > to me." > > It's just nuts, that anyone can cry spam, even if they first emailed the > > person who sent them the spam. It's kinda like in school, way back when, > > if kids where mis-behaving, then they spoiled it for everyone. I think that > > because of all the people out there that either just plain "FORGET", or > > just flat out LIE, that it should be ruined for them, not the other billions > > who are not to lazy just to hit delete. I get about 700 emails a day from > > all of my email accounts that all come into one profile in Outlook Express. > > It is a pain, but I find some really good deals that way too. I just skim > > through the subjects. It does help that my computer is one 20 to 22 hours a > > day, and Outlook Express checks for new email about every 1 min. But > > sometimes, when I'm on vacation, or something like that Its annoying, but I > > am not so lazy I just "Hate" to have to go trough all that. I have a simple > > process. I just sort them all by FROM, and if I don't know who it's from, I > > just hit delete. If the subject is good enough to reach out and grab me > > then I read that email. I can go through about 7000 emails in about 20 mins > > that way. And I am a VERY busy person. I don't have near enough > > time in a day to finish what all I have to do. And I still manage to go > > through my email. I have not missed an order from a customer yet! Now, > > once in a while, if I get a bunch of email, over and over again, and I get > > tired of seeing that same one, I'll request to be removed. THEN if they > > DON'T remove me, Then I get mad. That is when people SHOULD get into > > trouble, and that is for igoring requests to be REMOVED, after > > I've read their email. JUST REMOVE PEOPLE THAT WANT IT. > > > > People should just not be so sensative. I love that old saying that you can > > either use problems as as stumbling block, or as a stepping stone. > > > > Richard. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Swerve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:42 PM > > Subject: Re: Spamming > > > > > >> SPAM should be illegal. > >> FAX SPAM should be illegal. > >> > >> Opt-in emailing with activation that requires email confirmation from the > >> person signing up should be required for all companies and people creating > >> and using mailing lists. > >> > >> Swerve > >> > >> > >> > >>> From: Charles Daminato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:06:19 -0500 (EST) > >>> To: Alex Brecher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Subject: Re: Spamming > >>> > >>> There is no OpenSRS policy against spamming, as there is no ICANN policy > >>> against end users spamming. > >>> > >>> Resellers cannot spam, nor can registrars. I believe that's the extent > > of > >>> it... unless they are doing something illegal (and in most places, > >>> spamming is not yet illegal) we have no basis to act. > >>> > >>> Charles Daminato > >>> TUCOWS Product Manager > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Alex Brecher wrote: > >>> > >>>> Over the last few months we get almost 100 emails daily from users that > > were > >>>> spammed by people who bought domain names from us. Does OpenSRS have a > >>>> policy to suspend domain names when an end user sends spam ? > >>>> > >>>> Best Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Alex Brecher > >>>> > >>>> Visit us at http://www.Successfulhosting.com > >>>> We'll make your web site a success! > >>>> > >>>> Get your own domain name for only $14.99 > >>>> http://www.DiscountDomainRegistry.com > >>>> > >>>> *****PLEASE DO NOT DELETE ANY PART OF THIS MESSAGE WHEN REPLYING***** > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
