They are not a bulk whois licensee. They have mined the whois or otherwise
obtained it against our terms of use.

-rwr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L Mathews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Renewal Scam Data Source


> I've been thinking about the misleading notices sent by Verisign and
> DROA/DROC, and my thoughts turned to "where did they get the list of
> postal addresses?".
>
> Assuming they aren't illegally mining the WHOIS (which is doubtful for
> operations of that size), the answer is most likely that these two
> companies purchased the information from OpenSRS under the ICANN-mandated
> bulk WHOIS sharing program. (I'd be interested to hear if OpenSRS would
> confirm that, although I assume they aren't able to disclose customer
> information for privacy reasons. But if OpenSRS has never dealt with
> these companies, it seems possible to say so without overstepping privacy
> bounds... hint hint...)
>
> Anyway, one of the provisions of the ICANN requirement is that the
> registrar may, at its option, provide domain owners with a way to opt out
> of the bulk WHOIS sharing:
>
>   http://www.icann.org/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm
>
> (Section 3.3.6.6.)
>
> This topic has come up a couple of times over the last two years, and the
> consensus, if I recall correctly (I'm having a hard time finding the
> exact responses from OpenSRS folks in the archives) has pretty much been
> that there were more important things for OpenSRS to work on, which was
> probably true at the time.
>
> I'd like to suggest that this is now a much higher priority issue.
> Previously, it was merely annoying: other registrars would occasionally
> send "special offers" to try to tempt our customers, and our customers
> were subjected to extra paper junk mail -- both annoying, as I said, but
> both a part of this modern world. Now, it's different: our competitors
> are using the information that OpenSRS sells them to commit mail fraud in
> an attempt to steal our mutual customers, and I suspect this situation
> will probably get worse before it gets better.
>
> A way for customers to opt out of having their name, address and domain
> name sold to third parties in bulk is now much more important. Since
> ICANN does allow OpenSRS to implement such a thing, I'd hope that this
> could be made a priority. I would also hope that the technical ability
> would be provided for resellers to set this flag (and not just
> end-users), as I would intend to set it for all my customer accounts
> (disclosing that fact to them, of course, and giving them the chance to
> leave it on if they wanted to).
>
> Finally, I want to point out that I'm NOT blaming OpenSRS for the fact
> that they sold the info to Verisign/DROA in the past (assuming that
> happened), because they had no choice, and the work required to
> ameliorate the situation by providing an opt-out mechanism was previously
> out of proportion to the benefit. But things have clearly changed.
>
> So, OpenSRS folks: any possibility of adding this feature?
>
> --
> Robert L Mathews, Tiger Technologies
>
> "The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody
> appreciates how difficult it was."
>

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