Oracleの4/15のアナウンスから突然activityが無くなり、OpenOffice.org 開発も完全にストップしている状況がつづいています。 OpenOffice.orgに参加していたOracleの社員からもまったく答えてくれてません。 私でさえ状況がまったく状況が見えないのですが、 少しずつ動いてきているようです。
では。 中田 From: Louis Suarez-Potts <lsuarezpo...@gmail.com> Subject: [marketing-dev] Re: ping Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 04:05:24 -0400 > All, > > The OpenOffice.org Community is obviously in a state of change. I think a > crucial element to us all moving ahead is to establish and then act on, in > good faith, those areas where we—OOo and LO communities (aspects of the same > thing) can work together and reconcile differences. > > Let me start by stating that we, Stefan Taxhet, André Schnabel, Florian > Effenberger, and I, will be holding a teleconference later this week to > further put into place those things that need to be done to move ahead. > > The Most Important Thing from my perspective, is that the broader community > understand that they are contributing to building this together, and coupled > to that, that our users, public sector as well as individual consumers, and > private companies big and small, have the confidence to continue using ODF > implementations based on OpenOffice.org source. > > I think that all of us here in OOo-land appreciate the problems OOo was born > with and never really corrected, and that these relate as much to how code > and other contributions are encouraged and also accepted (or not). And I > think that to move forward, especially now in light of Oracle's 15 April > announcement, means that we can re-evaluate elemental procedures so that the > overall community can work together. > > But the basic issues I referred to before still apply—money, in short—and on > that subject, we need to hold fire and be patient. There are numerous > unknowns circulating, still. However, we can, and we shall, in the meanwhile, > talk. > > To reiterate: My personal goal is to have a community project whose identity > is not a proxy for this or that company but the unique ensemble of all its > contributors, bound together by a common goal of building the best and most > universally usable set of productivity tools implementing the ODF. And that > we look to the future while tending to the present: satisfy the needs of the > desktop users but cock an eye to the sky and imagine ODF implementations that > freely move us into Cloud. > > -louis > > > On 2011-05-20, at 14:03 , Bernhard Dippold wrote: > >> Hi Louis, all, >> >> it is great, that you still feel responsible for the OOo community - >> even if the way you perform this responsibility causes some thoughts... >> >> You have been Sun's OpenOffice.org Community Manager >> and later on Oracle's Community Manager until you left Oracle >> some months ago. >> >> As far as I know this post has never been open for election by the >> community, it has been given to you by your former >> employer and I don't know about it's validity after you left Oracle. >> >> But I want to address you as OpenOffice org community member - a community I >> myself feel affiliated for more than six years. >> >> Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 2011-05-13, at 04:39 , Ian Lynch wrote: >>> >>>> I know this might be a bit of an emotive topic for some, but >>>> wouldn't it be an idea to open up dialogue with the LibreOffice >>>> people? A split community was never an ideal situation from a >>>> simple logical point of view. >> >> A split had to be accepted when the foundation had been set up, but TDF >> has always been open to any contributor and invited not only Oracle but >> all the people hesitant to join a broader basis with less influence by >> single companies. >> >>>> Ok, there are emotional wounds to heal but talking about >>>> possibilities without any commitment on either side can't do any >>>> harm. >> >> I fully support any discussion between OOo and TDF community members. >> In my opinion our split community can be reunited quite easily, if >> everybody looks for the goals she/he has with our office suite and how >> we can achieve them. >> >>>> Maybe this is already happening? >> >> In an open community (or if you prefer: among two open communities) this >> should done on the mailing lists, so thank you for this question. >> >> Actually I hope that there will be more friendly discussion among TDF and >> OOo community members, leading to the perception of positive interaction and >> common goals. >>> >>> Actually, Florian and I are discussing that exactly. The days of >>> stiff difference are over with; were over with when Oracle renounced >>> OOo as a revenue source. And in their lieu, discussions of >>> reconciliation. >> >> Sorry, not being a native speaker, I can't really understand what you're >> talking about - and Google translator doesn't help very much either. >> >> So you mean that the time where Florian was "persona non grata" for >> OpenOffice.org is over, because Oracle dropped commercial support for >> the community? >> >> And does reconciliation mean that you start to imagine, that the TDF >> founders might have been right in working on the ten year old vision of >> an independent foundation *before* Oracle might drop any support for the >> community? >> >> We still don't know if dropping commercial support means to close the >> entire infrastructure and sell the trademark to somebody else (I still >> hope they don't, but it is a monetary issue, and Oracle is said to be >> aware of costs and money). >> >> Without the Document Foundation our community's situation would be even >> more problematic. >> >> It took several months to create a working infrastructure - of course >> there are tasks not finished by now, but the infrastructure is able to >> provide the product for download and support the community in their work. >> >>> To be sure, there are still personal differences. These are, to me, >>> not irrelevant but ought not to stop the development of the code by >>> the larger community. >> >> Every now and then during the last 10 years there have been personal >> differences, but they have always been considered less relevant than the >> work we did and still do for our community. >> >> Code development is done by the larger community. >> >> While the gap created by the uncertainties after the Oracle announcement >> seems to get broader and broader with no visible release activities >> after beta1 for OOo3.4.0 (two days before this announcement), the >> community developers working on LibreOffice removed bugs (even quite >> visible bugs) on their version, so the development is going on. >> >> >>> What counts, what makes up, what comprises that larger community is >>> of some debate. We need a lot of money to develop the code. >> >> Right. We need corporate contributors. Some of the already contribute to >> LibreOffice, overcoming the hindrances of one main contributor with >> nearly unlimited control. >> >>> We need, that is, far more than LibreOffice or TDF or any single >>> company can probably provide. >> >> LibreOffice and TDF are no company, they just do, what we should have >> done earlier in the past: Provide a basis where contributors can do >> their work, where companies and corporations can share their interest, >> but know that none of them will have the force to define any rules or >> modify the foundations mission. >> >> Based on this ideas, TDF raised 50.000 Euro (mainly by small donations - >> probably users and small companies) in only 8 days. >> >> Imagine large corporations start to support the community, because they >> don't have to fear the influence of any single main sponsor - provide >> money, code contributors, helping out the community with other issues... >> >>> Figure more than 10M USD/annum. That's to develop the code, test it, >>> distribute it, and move ahead into areas that go beyond the limits of >>> legacy. >> >> It's a challenge - but based on the efforts the community already did by >> creating TDF it is much more likely to be achieved than if the few >> people staying here try to raise such an amount on their own. >>> >>> Unfortunately, for something like OOo, a "community effort," still >>> needs huge buckets of money. It's not about corporations, per se. >>> It's about needing to get dedicated developers, one way or another, >>> working on the code, so that it can be reliably produced, and >>> satisfy the most demanding expectations. >> >> Right - that's what is done with LibreOffice. >>> >>> Meanwhile, I continue to drive ODF interest, and continue to >>> represent OOo at ODF events; and continue to represent, as much as I >>> can, as energetically as I can, to the world. >> >> You drive what? >> >> You still try to make the world believe that LibreOffice is nothing but >> Novell's contribution to Microsoft's universe because there is a very >> small area of code development based on a contract among them. >> >> You don't do ODF and the entire FOSS ecosystem a favor if you declare, >> that there would be no reliable alternative to MS Office anymore for >> people fearing that the lack of activity in the OOo project might cause >> their adoption to fail. >> >>> I have no animus toward LibreOffice, though I do have my share of >>> doubts; >> >> What you tell us here and in your blog, is much more than animus - >> please see below. >> >>> but my spirit is stamped with OOo, its community, its goal, of >>> providing reliable and reliably, the best productivity tools there >>> are to the most people. >> >> My goals have not changed during the last years, and I'm not alone - >> there is a large number of community members having spent hundreds or >> thousands of hours in their spare time for this community and its goals. >> >> But we don't insist on the name - it's the community's spirit that lives on. >> >> Create and maintain the best open source office productivity suite. >> >> Be part of the community that stands behind this suite and have >> influence by real merit: Every community member contributing for more >> than just a short period is able to elect the Board of Directors and be >> elected to it. >> >>> >>> -louis >>> >>> >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts >>>> <lsuarezpo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>> It is not even the case that other projects using OOo technology >>>>> have that much greater insight. They do not. >> >> This clearly addresses LibreOffice and TDF. >> >>>>> They may have more activity, but absent the energy of >>>>> production, there is no production of energy. >> >> And you tell the world that there would not be productive work over there? >> >> Together with the accusations against the Novell employees, ignorance of >> the large number of other developers, and repeatedly mentioning your >> "doubts" about LibreOffice you create an image that doesn't describes >> you as possible contact for reconciliation and re-unification of our >> large community. >> >> If Oracle wants to drop support for the infrastructure and code >> development (and I can't understand the cessation of the release cycle >> and the mailing list migration differently), this will be the only way >> to survive as the open source alternative to MS Office: >> >> Coordinate and integrate the community's work in both parts of the >> community back to the open and integrative community I love to work for >> during the last 6 years. >> >> But you are not the person I want to be represented by. >> I want to work together with the entire community in order to overcome >> this very dangerous situation not only for OpenOffice.org, but for the >> broader FOSS community and their acceptance in public too. >> >> Your comments, blogs and interviews don't show any integrative ideas, >> but try to damage LibreOffice and TDF on different levels instead of >> using the unique chance to re-unite our community leading to the highest >> strength and best position for our office suite in the current tangled >> situation. >> >> Best regards >> >> Bernhard >> >> PS: You probably know that I neither have any formal role in the OOo >> community nor in TDF. 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