LibreでもOpen でもどうでもいいのですが、 （というか、この手の不毛な分裂騒動はうんざり、） いずれにせよ、誰かがメンテしてくれないとまずいわけですよね。 はたして、Libre陣営だけで今後もメンテできるんでしょうか。
岡島 2011/5/24 Yasunori ENDO <y...@neppo.net>: > 遠藤です。 > > 2011/5/24 Jun OKAJIMA <okaj...@digitalinfra.co.jp>: >> 中田様： >> >> >> ふーむ、やはりいろいろあるようで。 >> わざわざありがとうございます。 >> >> いや、これ、なんで騒ぎにならないのかわからないんですが。 >> Linux ＝ サーバ、と割り切ってる人にはどうでもいいですが、 >> Linuxデスクトップがどうこう、と言っている人にとっては、 >> このOOo問題がどうなるか、は非常に大切だと思うのですが。 > > Linux の主要なディストリビュータが LibreOffice へ移行したので、 > Linux ユーザ的には大きな騒ぎにはならないのかもしれません。 > ただ、企業として OpenOffice.org を導入した会社などもあるので、 > この問題は解決してくれないと困りますね。 > > では。 > >> >> どうですかね ＞ 皆様。 >> >> 有限会社デジタルインフラ 岡島 >> >> >> >> 2011/5/23 Maho NAKATA <m...@openoffice.org>: >>> Oracleの4/15のアナウンスから突然activityが無くなり、OpenOffice.org >>> 開発も完全にストップしている状況がつづいています。 >>> OpenOffice.orgに参加していたOracleの社員からもまったく答えてくれてません。 >>> 私でさえ状況がまったく状況が見えないのですが、 >>> 少しずつ動いてきているようです。 >>> >>> では。 >>> 中田 >>> >>> From: Louis Suarez-Potts <lsuarezpo...@gmail.com> >>> Subject: [marketing-dev] Re: ping >>> Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 04:05:24 -0400 >>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> The OpenOffice.org Community is obviously in a state of change. I think a >>>> crucial element to us all moving ahead is to establish and then act on, in >>>> good faith, those areas where we—OOo and LO communities (aspects of the >>>> same thing) can work together and reconcile differences. >>>> >>>> Let me start by stating that we, Stefan Taxhet, André Schnabel, Florian >>>> Effenberger, and I, will be holding a teleconference later this week to >>>> further put into place those things that need to be done to move ahead. >>>> >>>> The Most Important Thing from my perspective, is that the broader >>>> community understand that they are contributing to building this together, >>>> and coupled to that, that our users, public sector as well as individual >>>> consumers, and private companies big and small, have the confidence to >>>> continue using ODF implementations based on OpenOffice.org source. >>>> >>>> I think that all of us here in OOo-land appreciate the problems OOo was >>>> born with and never really corrected, and that these relate as much to how >>>> code and other contributions are encouraged and also accepted (or not). >>>> And I think that to move forward, especially now in light of Oracle's 15 >>>> April announcement, means that we can re-evaluate elemental procedures so >>>> that the overall community can work together. >>>> >>>> But the basic issues I referred to before still apply—money, in short—and >>>> on that subject, we need to hold fire and be patient. There are numerous >>>> unknowns circulating, still. However, we can, and we shall, in the >>>> meanwhile, talk. >>>> >>>> To reiterate: My personal goal is to have a community project whose >>>> identity is not a proxy for this or that company but the unique ensemble >>>> of all its contributors, bound together by a common goal of building the >>>> best and most universally usable set of productivity tools implementing >>>> the ODF. And that we look to the future while tending to the present: >>>> satisfy the needs of the desktop users but cock an eye to the sky and >>>> imagine ODF implementations that freely move us into Cloud. >>>> >>>> -louis >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2011-05-20, at 14:03 , Bernhard Dippold wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Louis, all, >>>>> >>>>> it is great, that you still feel responsible for the OOo community - >>>>> even if the way you perform this responsibility causes some thoughts... >>>>> >>>>> You have been Sun's OpenOffice.org Community Manager >>>>> and later on Oracle's Community Manager until you left Oracle >>>>> some months ago. >>>>> >>>>> As far as I know this post has never been open for election by the >>>>> community, it has been given to you by your former >>>>> employer and I don't know about it's validity after you left Oracle. >>>>> >>>>> But I want to address you as OpenOffice org community member - a >>>>> community I myself feel affiliated for more than six years. >>>>> >>>>> Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2011-05-13, at 04:39 , Ian Lynch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I know this might be a bit of an emotive topic for some, but >>>>>>> wouldn't it be an idea to open up dialogue with the LibreOffice >>>>>>> people? A split community was never an ideal situation from a >>>>>>> simple logical point of view. >>>>> >>>>> A split had to be accepted when the foundation had been set up, but TDF >>>>> has always been open to any contributor and invited not only Oracle but >>>>> all the people hesitant to join a broader basis with less influence by >>>>> single companies. >>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, there are emotional wounds to heal but talking about >>>>>>> possibilities without any commitment on either side can't do any >>>>>>> harm. >>>>> >>>>> I fully support any discussion between OOo and TDF community members. >>>>> In my opinion our split community can be reunited quite easily, if >>>>> everybody looks for the goals she/he has with our office suite and how >>>>> we can achieve them. >>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe this is already happening? >>>>> >>>>> In an open community (or if you prefer: among two open communities) this >>>>> should done on the mailing lists, so thank you for this question. >>>>> >>>>> Actually I hope that there will be more friendly discussion among TDF and >>>>> OOo community members, leading to the perception of positive interaction >>>>> and common goals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, Florian and I are discussing that exactly. The days of >>>>>> stiff difference are over with; were over with when Oracle renounced >>>>>> OOo as a revenue source. And in their lieu, discussions of >>>>>> reconciliation. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, not being a native speaker, I can't really understand what you're >>>>> talking about - and Google translator doesn't help very much either. >>>>> >>>>> So you mean that the time where Florian was "persona non grata" for >>>>> OpenOffice.org is over, because Oracle dropped commercial support for >>>>> the community? >>>>> >>>>> And does reconciliation mean that you start to imagine, that the TDF >>>>> founders might have been right in working on the ten year old vision of >>>>> an independent foundation *before* Oracle might drop any support for the >>>>> community? >>>>> >>>>> We still don't know if dropping commercial support means to close the >>>>> entire infrastructure and sell the trademark to somebody else (I still >>>>> hope they don't, but it is a monetary issue, and Oracle is said to be >>>>> aware of costs and money). >>>>> >>>>> Without the Document Foundation our community's situation would be even >>>>> more problematic. >>>>> >>>>> It took several months to create a working infrastructure - of course >>>>> there are tasks not finished by now, but the infrastructure is able to >>>>> provide the product for download and support the community in their work. >>>>> >>>>>> To be sure, there are still personal differences. These are, to me, >>>>>> not irrelevant but ought not to stop the development of the code by >>>>>> the larger community. >>>>> >>>>> Every now and then during the last 10 years there have been personal >>>>> differences, but they have always been considered less relevant than the >>>>> work we did and still do for our community. >>>>> >>>>> Code development is done by the larger community. >>>>> >>>>> While the gap created by the uncertainties after the Oracle announcement >>>>> seems to get broader and broader with no visible release activities >>>>> after beta1 for OOo3.4.0 (two days before this announcement), the >>>>> community developers working on LibreOffice removed bugs (even quite >>>>> visible bugs) on their version, so the development is going on. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> What counts, what makes up, what comprises that larger community is >>>>>> of some debate. We need a lot of money to develop the code. >>>>> >>>>> Right. We need corporate contributors. Some of the already contribute to >>>>> LibreOffice, overcoming the hindrances of one main contributor with >>>>> nearly unlimited control. >>>>> >>>>>> We need, that is, far more than LibreOffice or TDF or any single >>>>>> company can probably provide. >>>>> >>>>> LibreOffice and TDF are no company, they just do, what we should have >>>>> done earlier in the past: Provide a basis where contributors can do >>>>> their work, where companies and corporations can share their interest, >>>>> but know that none of them will have the force to define any rules or >>>>> modify the foundations mission. >>>>> >>>>> Based on this ideas, TDF raised 50.000 Euro (mainly by small donations - >>>>> probably users and small companies) in only 8 days. >>>>> >>>>> Imagine large corporations start to support the community, because they >>>>> don't have to fear the influence of any single main sponsor - provide >>>>> money, code contributors, helping out the community with other issues... >>>>> >>>>>> Figure more than 10M USD/annum. That's to develop the code, test it, >>>>>> distribute it, and move ahead into areas that go beyond the limits of >>>>>> legacy. >>>>> >>>>> It's a challenge - but based on the efforts the community already did by >>>>> creating TDF it is much more likely to be achieved than if the few >>>>> people staying here try to raise such an amount on their own. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately, for something like OOo, a "community effort," still >>>>>> needs huge buckets of money. It's not about corporations, per se. >>>>>> It's about needing to get dedicated developers, one way or another, >>>>>> working on the code, so that it can be reliably produced, and >>>>>> satisfy the most demanding expectations. >>>>> >>>>> Right - that's what is done with LibreOffice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meanwhile, I continue to drive ODF interest, and continue to >>>>>> represent OOo at ODF events; and continue to represent, as much as I >>>>>> can, as energetically as I can, to the world. >>>>> >>>>> You drive what? >>>>> >>>>> You still try to make the world believe that LibreOffice is nothing but >>>>> Novell's contribution to Microsoft's universe because there is a very >>>>> small area of code development based on a contract among them. >>>>> >>>>> You don't do ODF and the entire FOSS ecosystem a favor if you declare, >>>>> that there would be no reliable alternative to MS Office anymore for >>>>> people fearing that the lack of activity in the OOo project might cause >>>>> their adoption to fail. >>>>> >>>>>> I have no animus toward LibreOffice, though I do have my share of >>>>>> doubts; >>>>> >>>>> What you tell us here and in your blog, is much more than animus - >>>>> please see below. >>>>> >>>>>> but my spirit is stamped with OOo, its community, its goal, of >>>>>> providing reliable and reliably, the best productivity tools there >>>>>> are to the most people. >>>>> >>>>> My goals have not changed during the last years, and I'm not alone - >>>>> there is a large number of community members having spent hundreds or >>>>> thousands of hours in their spare time for this community and its goals. >>>>> >>>>> But we don't insist on the name - it's the community's spirit that lives >>>>> on. >>>>> >>>>> Create and maintain the best open source office productivity suite. >>>>> >>>>> Be part of the community that stands behind this suite and have >>>>> influence by real merit: Every community member contributing for more >>>>> than just a short period is able to elect the Board of Directors and be >>>>> elected to it. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -louis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts >>>>>>> <lsuarezpo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is not even the case that other projects using OOo technology >>>>>>>> have that much greater insight. They do not. >>>>> >>>>> This clearly addresses LibreOffice and TDF. >>>>> >>>>>>>> They may have more activity, but absent the energy of >>>>>>>> production, there is no production of energy. >>>>> >>>>> And you tell the world that there would not be productive work over there? >>>>> >>>>> Together with the accusations against the Novell employees, ignorance of >>>>> the large number of other developers, and repeatedly mentioning your >>>>> "doubts" about LibreOffice you create an image that doesn't describes >>>>> you as possible contact for reconciliation and re-unification of our >>>>> large community. >>>>> >>>>> If Oracle wants to drop support for the infrastructure and code >>>>> development (and I can't understand the cessation of the release cycle >>>>> and the mailing list migration differently), this will be the only way >>>>> to survive as the open source alternative to MS Office: >>>>> >>>>> Coordinate and integrate the community's work in both parts of the >>>>> community back to the open and integrative community I love to work for >>>>> during the last 6 years. >>>>> >>>>> But you are not the person I want to be represented by. >>>>> I want to work together with the entire community in order to overcome >>>>> this very dangerous situation not only for OpenOffice.org, but for the >>>>> broader FOSS community and their acceptance in public too. >>>>> >>>>> Your comments, blogs and interviews don't show any integrative ideas, >>>>> but try to damage LibreOffice and TDF on different levels instead of >>>>> using the unique chance to re-unite our community leading to the highest >>>>> strength and best position for our office suite in the current tangled >>>>> situation. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> >>>>> Bernhard >>>>> >>>>> PS: You probably know that I neither have any formal role in the OOo >>>>> community nor in TDF. 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