中田様：
ふーむ、やはりいろいろあるようで。 わざわざありがとうございます。 いや、これ、なんで騒ぎにならないのかわからないんですが。 Linux ＝ サーバ、と割り切ってる人にはどうでもいいですが、 Linuxデスクトップがどうこう、と言っている人にとっては、 このOOo問題がどうなるか、は非常に大切だと思うのですが。 どうですかね ＞ 皆様。 有限会社デジタルインフラ 岡島 2011/5/23 Maho NAKATA <m...@openoffice.org>: > Oracleの4/15のアナウンスから突然activityが無くなり、OpenOffice.org > 開発も完全にストップしている状況がつづいています。 > OpenOffice.orgに参加していたOracleの社員からもまったく答えてくれてません。 > 私でさえ状況がまったく状況が見えないのですが、 > 少しずつ動いてきているようです。 > > では。 > 中田 > > From: Louis Suarez-Potts <lsuarezpo...@gmail.com> > Subject: [marketing-dev] Re: ping > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 04:05:24 -0400 > >> All, >> >> The OpenOffice.org Community is obviously in a state of change. I think a >> crucial element to us all moving ahead is to establish and then act on, in >> good faith, those areas where we—OOo and LO communities (aspects of the same >> thing) can work together and reconcile differences. >> >> Let me start by stating that we, Stefan Taxhet, André Schnabel, Florian >> Effenberger, and I, will be holding a teleconference later this week to >> further put into place those things that need to be done to move ahead. >> >> The Most Important Thing from my perspective, is that the broader community >> understand that they are contributing to building this together, and coupled >> to that, that our users, public sector as well as individual consumers, and >> private companies big and small, have the confidence to continue using ODF >> implementations based on OpenOffice.org source. >> >> I think that all of us here in OOo-land appreciate the problems OOo was born >> with and never really corrected, and that these relate as much to how code >> and other contributions are encouraged and also accepted (or not). And I >> think that to move forward, especially now in light of Oracle's 15 April >> announcement, means that we can re-evaluate elemental procedures so that the >> overall community can work together. >> >> But the basic issues I referred to before still apply—money, in short—and on >> that subject, we need to hold fire and be patient. There are numerous >> unknowns circulating, still. However, we can, and we shall, in the >> meanwhile, talk. >> >> To reiterate: My personal goal is to have a community project whose identity >> is not a proxy for this or that company but the unique ensemble of all its >> contributors, bound together by a common goal of building the best and most >> universally usable set of productivity tools implementing the ODF. And that >> we look to the future while tending to the present: satisfy the needs of the >> desktop users but cock an eye to the sky and imagine ODF implementations >> that freely move us into Cloud. >> >> -louis >> >> >> On 2011-05-20, at 14:03 , Bernhard Dippold wrote: >> >>> Hi Louis, all, >>> >>> it is great, that you still feel responsible for the OOo community - >>> even if the way you perform this responsibility causes some thoughts... >>> >>> You have been Sun's OpenOffice.org Community Manager >>> and later on Oracle's Community Manager until you left Oracle >>> some months ago. >>> >>> As far as I know this post has never been open for election by the >>> community, it has been given to you by your former >>> employer and I don't know about it's validity after you left Oracle. >>> >>> But I want to address you as OpenOffice org community member - a community >>> I myself feel affiliated for more than six years. >>> >>> Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On 2011-05-13, at 04:39 , Ian Lynch wrote: >>>> >>>>> I know this might be a bit of an emotive topic for some, but >>>>> wouldn't it be an idea to open up dialogue with the LibreOffice >>>>> people? A split community was never an ideal situation from a >>>>> simple logical point of view. >>> >>> A split had to be accepted when the foundation had been set up, but TDF >>> has always been open to any contributor and invited not only Oracle but >>> all the people hesitant to join a broader basis with less influence by >>> single companies. >>> >>>>> Ok, there are emotional wounds to heal but talking about >>>>> possibilities without any commitment on either side can't do any >>>>> harm. >>> >>> I fully support any discussion between OOo and TDF community members. >>> In my opinion our split community can be reunited quite easily, if >>> everybody looks for the goals she/he has with our office suite and how >>> we can achieve them. >>> >>>>> Maybe this is already happening? >>> >>> In an open community (or if you prefer: among two open communities) this >>> should done on the mailing lists, so thank you for this question. >>> >>> Actually I hope that there will be more friendly discussion among TDF and >>> OOo community members, leading to the perception of positive interaction >>> and common goals. >>>> >>>> Actually, Florian and I are discussing that exactly. The days of >>>> stiff difference are over with; were over with when Oracle renounced >>>> OOo as a revenue source. And in their lieu, discussions of >>>> reconciliation. >>> >>> Sorry, not being a native speaker, I can't really understand what you're >>> talking about - and Google translator doesn't help very much either. >>> >>> So you mean that the time where Florian was "persona non grata" for >>> OpenOffice.org is over, because Oracle dropped commercial support for >>> the community? >>> >>> And does reconciliation mean that you start to imagine, that the TDF >>> founders might have been right in working on the ten year old vision of >>> an independent foundation *before* Oracle might drop any support for the >>> community? >>> >>> We still don't know if dropping commercial support means to close the >>> entire infrastructure and sell the trademark to somebody else (I still >>> hope they don't, but it is a monetary issue, and Oracle is said to be >>> aware of costs and money). >>> >>> Without the Document Foundation our community's situation would be even >>> more problematic. >>> >>> It took several months to create a working infrastructure - of course >>> there are tasks not finished by now, but the infrastructure is able to >>> provide the product for download and support the community in their work. >>> >>>> To be sure, there are still personal differences. These are, to me, >>>> not irrelevant but ought not to stop the development of the code by >>>> the larger community. >>> >>> Every now and then during the last 10 years there have been personal >>> differences, but they have always been considered less relevant than the >>> work we did and still do for our community. >>> >>> Code development is done by the larger community. >>> >>> While the gap created by the uncertainties after the Oracle announcement >>> seems to get broader and broader with no visible release activities >>> after beta1 for OOo3.4.0 (two days before this announcement), the >>> community developers working on LibreOffice removed bugs (even quite >>> visible bugs) on their version, so the development is going on. >>> >>> >>>> What counts, what makes up, what comprises that larger community is >>>> of some debate. We need a lot of money to develop the code. >>> >>> Right. We need corporate contributors. Some of the already contribute to >>> LibreOffice, overcoming the hindrances of one main contributor with >>> nearly unlimited control. >>> >>>> We need, that is, far more than LibreOffice or TDF or any single >>>> company can probably provide. >>> >>> LibreOffice and TDF are no company, they just do, what we should have >>> done earlier in the past: Provide a basis where contributors can do >>> their work, where companies and corporations can share their interest, >>> but know that none of them will have the force to define any rules or >>> modify the foundations mission. >>> >>> Based on this ideas, TDF raised 50.000 Euro (mainly by small donations - >>> probably users and small companies) in only 8 days. >>> >>> Imagine large corporations start to support the community, because they >>> don't have to fear the influence of any single main sponsor - provide >>> money, code contributors, helping out the community with other issues... >>> >>>> Figure more than 10M USD/annum. That's to develop the code, test it, >>>> distribute it, and move ahead into areas that go beyond the limits of >>>> legacy. >>> >>> It's a challenge - but based on the efforts the community already did by >>> creating TDF it is much more likely to be achieved than if the few >>> people staying here try to raise such an amount on their own. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, for something like OOo, a "community effort," still >>>> needs huge buckets of money. It's not about corporations, per se. >>>> It's about needing to get dedicated developers, one way or another, >>>> working on the code, so that it can be reliably produced, and >>>> satisfy the most demanding expectations. >>> >>> Right - that's what is done with LibreOffice. >>>> >>>> Meanwhile, I continue to drive ODF interest, and continue to >>>> represent OOo at ODF events; and continue to represent, as much as I >>>> can, as energetically as I can, to the world. >>> >>> You drive what? >>> >>> You still try to make the world believe that LibreOffice is nothing but >>> Novell's contribution to Microsoft's universe because there is a very >>> small area of code development based on a contract among them. >>> >>> You don't do ODF and the entire FOSS ecosystem a favor if you declare, >>> that there would be no reliable alternative to MS Office anymore for >>> people fearing that the lack of activity in the OOo project might cause >>> their adoption to fail. >>> >>>> I have no animus toward LibreOffice, though I do have my share of >>>> doubts; >>> >>> What you tell us here and in your blog, is much more than animus - >>> please see below. >>> >>>> but my spirit is stamped with OOo, its community, its goal, of >>>> providing reliable and reliably, the best productivity tools there >>>> are to the most people. >>> >>> My goals have not changed during the last years, and I'm not alone - >>> there is a large number of community members having spent hundreds or >>> thousands of hours in their spare time for this community and its goals. >>> >>> But we don't insist on the name - it's the community's spirit that lives on. >>> >>> Create and maintain the best open source office productivity suite. >>> >>> Be part of the community that stands behind this suite and have >>> influence by real merit: Every community member contributing for more >>> than just a short period is able to elect the Board of Directors and be >>> elected to it. >>> >>>> >>>> -louis >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts >>>>> <lsuarezpo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not even the case that other projects using OOo technology >>>>>> have that much greater insight. They do not. >>> >>> This clearly addresses LibreOffice and TDF. >>> >>>>>> They may have more activity, but absent the energy of >>>>>> production, there is no production of energy. >>> >>> And you tell the world that there would not be productive work over there? >>> >>> Together with the accusations against the Novell employees, ignorance of >>> the large number of other developers, and repeatedly mentioning your >>> "doubts" about LibreOffice you create an image that doesn't describes >>> you as possible contact for reconciliation and re-unification of our >>> large community. >>> >>> If Oracle wants to drop support for the infrastructure and code >>> development (and I can't understand the cessation of the release cycle >>> and the mailing list migration differently), this will be the only way >>> to survive as the open source alternative to MS Office: >>> >>> Coordinate and integrate the community's work in both parts of the >>> community back to the open and integrative community I love to work for >>> during the last 6 years. >>> >>> But you are not the person I want to be represented by. >>> I want to work together with the entire community in order to overcome >>> this very dangerous situation not only for OpenOffice.org, but for the >>> broader FOSS community and their acceptance in public too. >>> >>> Your comments, blogs and interviews don't show any integrative ideas, >>> but try to damage LibreOffice and TDF on different levels instead of >>> using the unique chance to re-unite our community leading to the highest >>> strength and best position for our office suite in the current tangled >>> situation. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Bernhard >>> >>> PS: You probably know that I neither have any formal role in the OOo >>> community nor in TDF. 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