On 11/28/11 1:16 AM, Michael Widmann wrote:
Hi
Well spoken everyone - one is missing that doesn't declare himself and
should please said some thing on this : Garret ....
1.) Garret in front of the curtain please
2.) Would it be frank to ask - could we donate for OpenIndiana? and if so
where - and what do donate?
Now that the conservancy is finalized. we will be able to setup a
process to take contributions. I have on my project plans for next year
a way to buy swag, with a little margin to be donated to resources for
the project. i am also soliciting commercial contributions. these funds
will be earmarked for outreach and infrastructure. the funds are donated
to fsf and can be used by illumos.
3.) Question: Is there a real problem with the name - or only this IPS /
SRV4 Package hating generation conflict?
nexenta is dependent on deb.
4.) UserLand discussions are slightly boring (IMHO) - cause the OpenSolaris
/ OpenIndiana Userland I'm personally used too not really interested in
debian UserLand or anything else...
5.) What really matters: ZFS / DTrace / KVM / Zones / Crossbow - could we
all work together to make a progress their - and maybe starting to
innovate with an "open board"
6.) Every Distro has it's beautiful side - could we hammer out (for people
not knowing one of this either) which one is best for what case? (making
a list together where each is aimed to be installed / used)
7.) Let the community vote for the userland and the winner should help the
others to integrate .... (if it is illumnos / debian userland - please help
OI to integrate)
8.) thanks to everyone who does a great job - on the core / the
distribution / the integration of new things (nexenta - illumnos /
alasdair - openindiana / joyent team - kvm / dtrace and tons of updates and
fixes)
Michael
2011/11/28 Alexander<[email protected]>
Well said. Just let's work together, I do not understand why the name of
the distribution can be an obstacle. I do not see any threat to OI,
moreover, I think working together on the integration of new packages and
the use of one illumos-userland will helps everyone. Let's just work, as
Bryan said.
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 28, 2011, at 1:43 AM, Bryan Cantrill<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Michael Widmann<
[email protected]> wrote:
Any comments on this joyents and nextentas?
First, Joyent, Delphix, Nexenta and every other member of the illumos
community contributes to illumos -- to the core operating system -- which
in turn benefits everyone (OpenIndiana included). So we have in fact
helped OpenIndiana (most significantly with our KVM port to illumos, which
OpenIndiana included in its oi_151a release) -- and we will continue to do
so.
That said, I think it's important that we as a community recognize that
what binds us is core OS technologies (ZFS, Zones, Crossbow, DTrace, KVM,
etc.), and not how those technologies are packaged and distributed. A
central aspect of the failing of OpenSolaris (in my opinion) was that we
collectively (and Sun in particular) insisted on there being only One True
Path for the entire system. At its best, this ethos manifested itself as
endless discussions on governance and voting and constitutions -- and at
its worse led to arguments, discord, politicking and fracture.
But with illumos, we have a rebirth: we have not only fresh blood in
terms of technologists, but also (I would like to think) more tolerance
around those elements that are ancillary to those core technologies. As
such, several distributions have flowered that would have not been possible
in the shadow of OpenSolaris -- and I expect more to come. This is
_healthy_ as it means that more people (not fewer) will be exposed to our
core values as new distributions arise to fill new niches. As a community
moving forward, we need to stay focussed on the values that bind us -- and
that means leading with the technology, not pre-announcements or rhetoric
or endless discussion. To that end, I would point to the illumos hackathon
as a shining example of what we can and should be doing: similarly minded
people coming together to advance the state of the art in operating systems!
With that, I would like to ask that we cease the friendly fire and get
back to work. Speaking personally, I am going to be spending the afternoon
finishing up the ::scalehrtime dcmd that we found so invaluable on a nasty
KVM problem this past week (patch to come on that one), and adding some
code to the panic path that would make a similar problem slightly easier to
debug -- work that I believe to be examples (if extraordinarily small ones)
of the values that bind our community...
- Bryan
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