Adobe is doing the same thing, but in the other direction with Flex/AIR and Thermo. Because Adobe has a MUCH better undrestanding of the designer, I would be prone to align with their efforts. That is, I would rather work with their products as they come up to speed on understanding the developer and the design>developer workflow than the other way around...
Russ On Jan 23, 2008 3:26 PM, W Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hear you Dave -- > > A while back we talked a bit about this - and I was using Expression for > some design/interaction prototyping - but you you are right - from a > designer's perspective it was still very very painful (caveat - I haven't > used it since September). The usability and flow was just not there for a > true interface/interaction designer to feel comfortable enough giving up > the > old tools - even if the new tool would eventually hold the promise of > making > a much better integration between designer and developer. > And -- on the other front - as good as Nathan's WPF Unleashed book was - > it > was not enough for an IxD to be able to do simple data-binding without > much > gnashing of teeth and breaking of bones. > > That said - in a year or two it will be a formidable tool/ > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:12:15, dave malouf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm a current user of Expression Blend and I think it is REALLY close > > ... about 60% of the way there. that missing 40% is painful. I have > > had good contacts with that team and I think that if we give them to > > 3.5 or 4.0 they might get it right. > > > > What I see wrong with their current direction is that they are trying > > to solve the Designer > Developer workflow problem instead of trying > > to solve the designer problem and THEN the designer > developer > > workflow problem. Which in my mind, if you solve the designer > > problem, there will be less issues between the two. > > > > If Blend is not a good designer tool, then you haven't solved the > > workflow issue b/c designers won't use it. > > > > I think adding the additional role of "integrator" as I think they > > are now calling it, is a HUGE mistake. > > > > >From an MS perspective though, there are 20million MS developers, and > > MAYBE 100,000 interactive Designers (not developers). You do the math. > > ;) > > > > And how many of those designers are going to choose MS over Adobe? > > > > -- dave > > > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Posted from the new ixda.org > > http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=25002 > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* > > February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA > > Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! > > To post to this list ....... [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe > > List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines > > List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help > > > > > > -- > ~ will > > "Where you innovate, how you innovate, > and what you innovate are design problems" > ------------------------------------------------------- > will evans > user experience architect > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------------------------------------------------------- > ________________________________________________________________ > *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* > February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA > Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ > > ________________________________________________________________ > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! > To post to this list ....... [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe > List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines > List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help > -- Russell Wilson Vice President of Product Design, NetQoS Blog: http://www.dexodesign.com ________________________________________________________________ *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ ________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ....... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
