> On 24 Apr 2009, at 15:52, Jonathan S. Knoll wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> My experience, in both agencies and large corporations, is that the
>> front-end team tends to be semi-autonomous, but organizationally closer
>> (and
>> often beneath) the back-end or systems teams. Ironic, since the good ones
>> tend to be more philosophically aligned with Design teams.
>
> [snip]
>
> That's interesting. My experiences with the org-chart split is about 50/50
> design vs systems. UK/US difference maybe?
>
> Adrian

Perhaps, but I've found it to be about 50 Tech/Engineering, 25/25
Design and Product/Marketing.
I think this is very much variable from company to company.  Almost
all of my friends in SFO, for example, own an  entire vertical of
their projects/products -- from back-end to IA to front-end.  It
~blows my mind~, and some are miserable about it, but I don't get the
impression it's a Bay Area USA methodology.

Er...is it?

I didn't find the initial question condescending, speaking as someone
who came from doing
front-end development exclusively and gradually moved into more
conceptual design, as Dave
mentioned.  In this case, 'just' speaks to me as 'only thing done',
much as my best friend "just does Oracle implementations."

The companies with which I worked moved in that direction
chronologically as I went
along my career path:  just HTML/CSS/Javascript, to doing front-end
production code and IA/IxD, just using
HTML/CSS/JS/Flash for prototyping and presentation to not doing it all
all except as an artifact of particular programs such as iRise or
Axure.  I like how various tools can help me reach certain ends, but
sometimes...I just gotta whip something together by hand, both for a
particular end and so I don't lose my edge.

Scott


On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Adrian Howard <adri...@quietstars.com> wrote:
>
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