Apologies if it appeared I was criticizing YOUR attitude. It's exactly what you're pointing at that I was grumbling about--too many people (possibly in the guise of 'marketing') are making those non-stop changes for the sake of change/just to be different. Consistency can be a good thing, once you have something to be consistent about. Just because you can fill a web page with Flash doesn't mean you have too--it takes too much resource from too many people for each get past your unnecessary silliness each time to the actual 'meat' of the site (and no I don't mean you personally!) I don't need a multi-colored background with flower pictures embedded within it in order to read what someone is trying to say--it's not helpful. In that sense, I agree that it has become disappointing. Added functionality availability can be a good thing. Forcing upon people who don't need that particular function is not. Forcing functionality that one person likes upon others who may not like it is definitely not. Default should be "opt-in" for this, not "opt-out-without-instructions". (Tom, you still there?) Concur that de-facto standards are just as valid (often moreso) than published ones. I was just making a crack, which you appear to have caught too. I've not noticed the trend you have seen, but that's probably explainable by my viewpoints expressed--I don't spend time on websites with lots of junk on 'em, so haven't seen that trend developing. I rather like the wheel, just didn't know that was it's purpose. HM
--- On Thu, 5/26/11, Derek J. Balling <[email protected]> wrote: On May 26, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hal Miller wrote: 1) Isn't that ('not the place to hang out') rather a holier-than-thou attitude? I've been on the Internet longer than Al Gore, and I agree with Lynda: the KISS principle is being violated here (and in far too many other places), by Big Brother. I don't like the idea that I'm forced on a regular basis to invest time trying to un-do the "new features" that someone implemented on me whether I want them or not. Seems like every bank does this too. Doesn't make it right, and I don't have to use those banks that do it. I often use a line when referring to this kind of programming: Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you MUST. I don't think it's "holier than thou". I'm not saying I *like* that fact. I'm simply saying that the internet has not been, is not, and is not likely to be a stagnant place, and if "changing" and "adding new behavior patterns" is something that bothers a person, then pretty much by definition, the Internet is bound to be a place full of unhappiness and disappointment. It took me a lot of experimentation to figure out the wheel on the Google page, since I must have missed the memo that said it was an international standard, but I figured it out eventually. I don't think there was a memo (I didn't get one either). I've just noticed over the last 3-4 years that symbol being used more and more for "Settings" or "Preferences". It's sort of become a de facto standard, if not an official one. Cheers, D
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