I think it's going to be hard to find a high-quality outsourced voice solution 
for a small account, especially if you have an sophisticated needs.  In my 
previous $job, where I was working for a small financial firm, I often 
described our needs as "small enterprise" because we had many of the complex 
needs of an enterprise (segmented/segregated networks, complex backups, complex 
phone needs, etc) without the scale that helps amortize the cost of that 
complexity.  It's really hard to find good solutions in that space.

Voice is hard, in part because you've got a long legacy of pre-VoIP tech that's 
heavily regulated, and then the VoIP world that's very capable and flexible, 
but largely unregulated.  People have come to expect the reliability of the 
former, but want the flexibility and price advantage of the latter.  At a small 
scale, the only way you're going to get that is to have a local system with 
someone who really understands the local need and can tune the system for it 
and cares enough to get it right.  For an outsourced provider to care enough, 
they'd have to charge more than it was worth to people.

--
Christopher Manly
Coordinator, Library Systems
Cornell University Library Information Technologies
[email protected]
607-255-3344

From: Jon Young <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014 at 9:56 AM
Cc: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [lopsa-discuss] Virtual PBX's?

Not fonality, worst implementation experience I've been through.

For my small $work with 20ish people spread across 5 offices and lots of 
travel, we've been looking for something more appropriate but with a strong eye 
towards integration with office365 and hosted lync.  Lots of problems and I'm 
not really finding anyone that does that for small organizations.  A 
significant portion of my consulting work is helping large organizations 
(mostly universities with project costs in the millions) through this same 
problems and there are excellent options in the enterprise space but I'm 
finding few reasonably priced options in the small business space.


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
> [mailto:discuss-<mailto:discuss->
> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Derek 
> Balling
>
> If someone suggests 8x8, smack them hard across the face.

ehhehehhe, I work at a company right now that uses 8x8.  I have considered 
moving off them before, and I'm sure there are better alternatives out there, 
but ultimately decided it wasn't worth the effort.  Not that much to gain.  
When I saw Matthew's OP here a few minutes ago, I momentarily considered 
responding, but couldn't make up my mind if I would have positive versus 
negative feedback, and decided not to post, until I saw this.  Overall, I think 
I would have a *slightly* negative review, but the above position is too 
extreme to be fair, so I have to come to the defense of 8x8 and say, they're 
not that bad.  They have a moderate feature set, at moderate pricing, and 
moderately good support and sales.  Nothing special, nothing horrible.  Yes 
usable.  No complaints from either my users or finance dept.  If I make a 
change it's because I'm trying to make an improvement, in terms of feature set 
or price, and there just simply isn't enough at stake to motivate me over the 
risk
 .  Anything I could gain will not be amazingly impressive, but if I screw up 
and choose a new provider that *does* elicit complaints from users, the fault 
will be entirely mine.
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