As your water carrier, I get to choose where the water comes from.
I'm strongly in favour of net neutrality, but that analogy doesn't
really hold water (pun intended)
To carry this analogy on, you're making demands as a water consumer that
it only comes from a specific reservoir. I can flat out guarantee that
if you would only choose to have water supplied from other sources as
well, you'd be able to get enough water coming in that you could use
both the faucet *and* the sprinkler at the same time.
It's worth remembering that in this Netflix / Comcast / Verizon
situation, and all the others related to it, the negotiations and
contracts between peering companies are private. We're not party to
what charges either party is demanding, and likely very few of us have
any way to gauge whether the terms are reasonable or not.
I do remember when I last worked in the ISP industry in the UK several
years ago that peering charges were a complicated beast. One of the more
significant factors in the cost per packet was the ratio of uploads to
downloads. We maintained a binary hosting newsgroup service purely
because we could juggle the routes around and shift data upstream
through a peering provider, thus improving our U/D ratio and reducing
our operating cost. In this case, by Netflix using just one or two
transit companies, Comcast and other ISPs are stuck on the wrong side of
that ratio.
On 07/22/14 08:39, Matt Simmons wrote:
I've never been convinced that, because you carry water in your pipes
to my house, you get to have a say in whether it goes to my faucet or
to my sprinkler.
--Matt
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Derek Balling <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Here's hoping they don't, to be honest.
No matter how many people "want" it otherwise, the ISPs built
those networks, invested billions of dollars in them, and nobody
else other than their shareholders should have a say how traffic
is managed on them.
Now, the counterargument usually goes "but there's no
competition", to which I say "WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?", and point
squarely at the government who mandates monopoly behavior, and who
thinks "4G wireless" or "satellite service" is a legitimate
"competition" for TWC 50x5 or FIOS.
Break the monopolies, invest in getting some competition in there
(to undo the damage of govt-granted monopolies for decades) and
then let's see where we stand.
D
On Jul 22, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Will Dennis <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Related:http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/07/21/332678802/one-million-net-neutrality-comments-filed-but-will-they-matter
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]]*On Behalf Of*Brad Beyenhof
*Sent:*Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:05 AM
*To:*Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)
*Cc:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [lopsa-discuss] Https - the solution to net
neutrality and ISP monopolies
On Jul 22, 2014, at 6:09 AM, "Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If the content is distributed by a content distribution
network, and LOTS of services use those networks, then the
SSL cert could be "*.akamai.com <http://akamai.com/>" (or
whatever) and if the ISP's want to throttle it, their only
choice is to throttle *all* of the content indiscriminantly.
But then the ISPs could differentiate between CDNs, couldn't
they? What's to prevent the market from being manipulated so that
a non-neutral Net can just discriminate against (or for) large
swaths of content providers at once?
-Brad
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