On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 12:05:51 -0400, Derek Balling wrote:
On Jul 22, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Elijah Wright <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Derek Balling <[email protected]> wrote:

No matter how many people "want" it otherwise, the ISPs built those
networks, invested billions of dollars in them, and nobody else other than their shareholders should have a say how traffic is managed on them.

The government is us.  Vote.  And raise hell.

Don't forget the enormous subsidies that have been paid out to telcos and cable companies, one way or another, over the years. It's not just the monopoly -- it's that we paid for a ton of stuff (lines, trenching, gear, whatever) , and there is not an obvious ROI.

Unless you put those caveats on the subsidies, etc., you don't get to
change the rules later. Just as I don't to make a donation to the Red
Cross in 2003 and then say in 2014 "Hey, remember that $100 I gave
you? It means I get to change how you operate today."   That's just
not how it works.

Various companies have been milking the tit to get folks hooked on "on demand" video and fast internet -- yes, Virginia, there is a santa claus -- for years, and not properly accounting for growth (trend lines, anyone?) and the eventual need for rapid expansion. Instead,
the money was probably paid out in profits / dividends.

The counterpoint to that is that various companies have been milking
the ISPs, believing they could flow as much video traffic through
those peering-points as they wanted, oblivious to whether or not the
other side was prepared to invest in the infrastructure necessary to
keep the video business functional.

Because let's be clear: Netflix needs the last-mile folks a metric
ton more than the last-mile folks need Netflix. And it's just
ass-u-me'd that those carriers would continue to bear the burden of
upgrading infrastructure to keep their bits flowing.

Well, it can be argued that nobody explicitly put these caveats in place on the subsidies because nobody imagined that they would be needed, these caveats are the way that everyone operated for decades.

the ones wanting to change this are the last-mile ISPs

David Lang
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