On Jul 22, 2014, at 4:53 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:00:18 -0400, Derek Balling wrote: >> On Jul 22, 2014, at 3:52 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote: >>> If this wasn't Verizon crying about Netflix, but was podunk ISP in outer >>> mongolia claiming that your server was flooding their network would you >>> still say that you needed to pay that ISP to upgrade their network? >> >> I would say that *IF* I was getting revenue from that ISP's clients, >> and if that revenue was critical to my survival (which - for Netflix, >> protip: it is), I'd seriously consider it, yes. > > protip: any website that charges subscription fees falls in this category. > > It could also be argued that advertising supported sites also fall in this > category (they don't get revenue directly from the users, but if the users > don't visit the site and download the advertising they don't get paid and > will not survive) > > so, what's left of the Internet after you eliminate anything that gets > revenue based on it's users?
But go back to your original question, we're talking about podunk ISP, where maybe 1% of my users are? Are those users so important to my survival? Probably not. Maybe I say to podunk ISP "screw it, do what you want". But if podunk ISP actually has 50% of my users (and thus my revenue) behind it, well [a] I need better user distribution so I'm not so dependent on these individual chokepoints, and [b] maybe I do say "look, I'll cut you in for some of it, and we can both make some bank and be happy", because I recognize that podunk-ISP has needs as well, and if they can show me that I'm negatively impacting their business by flooding their links and such, why aren't I willing to do that? D
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