On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:01:16 -0400, Derek Balling wrote:
On Jul 22, 2014, at 4:53 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:00:18 -0400, Derek Balling wrote:
On Jul 22, 2014, at 3:52 PM, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote:
If this wasn't Verizon crying about Netflix, but was podunk ISP in
outer mongolia claiming that your server was flooding their network
would you still say that you needed to pay that ISP to upgrade their
network?
I would say that *IF* I was getting revenue from that ISP's
clients,
and if that revenue was critical to my survival (which - for
Netflix,
protip: it is), I'd seriously consider it, yes.
protip: any website that charges subscription fees falls in this
category.
It could also be argued that advertising supported sites also fall
in this category (they don't get revenue directly from the users, but
if the users don't visit the site and download the advertising they
don't get paid and will not survive)
so, what's left of the Internet after you eliminate anything that
gets revenue based on it's users?
But go back to your original question, we're talking about podunk
ISP, where maybe 1% of my users are? Are those users so important to
my survival? Probably not. Maybe I say to podunk ISP "screw it, do
what you want".
But if podunk ISP actually has 50% of my users (and thus my revenue)
behind it, well [a] I need better user distribution so I'm not so
dependent on these individual chokepoints, and [b] maybe I do say
"look, I'll cut you in for some of it, and we can both make some bank
and be happy", because I recognize that podunk-ISP has needs as well,
and if they can show me that I'm negatively impacting their business
by flooding their links and such, why aren't I willing to do that?
Verizon does not have 50% of Netflix users
so what percentage of users should an ISP have before they are able to
charge the server?
If I run a community website and charge for it, it's very likely that
all my customers are going to be in the same community, and so use the
same ISP
does that mean that I should have to pay that ISP for the privilege of
their users being able to get to my server?
do you see how this will fall apart??
David Lang
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