This actually cuts through to the point really well. Is L3's legitimate traffic allowed to be VZN's abuse and treated as such?
I suspect the answer to that lies in a contract somewhere. I think that the underlying premise of the internet is that peers agree to treat them equally. If that's found to not be the case and one company can legally treat valid traffic as abuse and throttle or extort them, then maybe we just can't have nice things. Matt On Jul 22, 2014 3:54 PM, "Derek Balling" <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Jul 22, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Josh Smift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > DB> Can you, say, name some other examples of companies who peer with > > DB> Verizon and send as much traffic their way? Because what's congested > > DB> is the peering point, the actual interconnect between Verizon and > > DB> Netflix. So, what other content providers are streaming the same > > DB> quantity of traffic to VZN as Netflix is, and doing so without issue? > > > > It seems to me like this problem is complicated by the fact that Netflix > > isn't a Verizon customer. > > Agreed wholeheartedly. > > Netflix could solve this problem today - become a Verizon customer, and > pay for the capacity they need into the Verizon backbone. > > Except, of course, that's what evil nasty megacorp Verizon is > (essentially) suggesting, and we hates the corporations, yes, precious :-) > > > If Netflix is paying Level 3 for an X Gbps pipe, and sending X Gbps > > through it, no one has a problem with that. The issue is that Level 3 is > > sending X Gbps Netflix's traffic to Verizon; and Verizon doesn't want to > > receive that traffic? > > > > What would Verzion think if it wasn't one big easy-to-spot company, but > > instead millions of individuals sending lots of traffic to Verizon > through > > their connection to Level 3? > > > > If Level 3 is sending too much traffic to Verizon, this seems like an > > L3/VZN problem, with basically nothing to do with Netflix -- even if the > > traffic is 100% from Netflix, that is literally none of Verizon's > > business. (If they want it to be their business, they can go try to sell > > connectivity directly to Netflix.) > > If I'm peering with L3, and they are constantly flooding the IX point, > then I do an analysis of the traffic and see "oh you've got an abusive > customer flooding us, make them stop", or I say "oh, that's valid traffic, > but it's a LOT of it, and it's impacting the performance of other innocent > traffic coming from L3", and I throttle it to protect the other traffic > from damage. Maybe if I've got an economic incentive to do so, I upgrade > the IX point to allow the greater capacity, but just as a college might not > be willing to upgrade its ISP connection to improve Spotify performance, > Verizon is similarly not so inclined to do so for the L3 connection. > > D > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > >
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