On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:54:17 -0400, Derek Balling wrote:
On Jul 22, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Josh Smift <[email protected]> wrote:
DB> Can you, say, name some other examples of companies who peer
with
DB> Verizon and send as much traffic their way? Because what's
congested
DB> is the peering point, the actual interconnect between Verizon
and
DB> Netflix. So, what other content providers are streaming the same
DB> quantity of traffic to VZN as Netflix is, and doing so without
issue?
It seems to me like this problem is complicated by the fact that
Netflix
isn't a Verizon customer.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
Netflix could solve this problem today - become a Verizon customer,
and pay for the capacity they need into the Verizon backbone.
Except, of course, that's what evil nasty megacorp Verizon is
(essentially) suggesting, and we hates the corporations, yes,
precious
:-)
But you have no problem talking about the Evil Nasty megacorp Netflix
and how they are bombarding the poor Verizon network with their unwanted
traffic.
nobody else here is saying that companies are evil, but some of us are
saying that the actions of many of the monopolist last-mile ISPs is
evil. please note the difference.
The idea that a website should have to pay every ISP in the world to
carry their content is not the Internet, it's some other structure, and
I don't believe that it's manageable. The sheer logistics of trying to
bill every website and pay every ISP in the world is not managable.
If Netflix is paying Level 3 for an X Gbps pipe, and sending X Gbps
through it, no one has a problem with that. The issue is that Level
3 is
sending X Gbps Netflix's traffic to Verizon; and Verizon doesn't
want to
receive that traffic?
What would Verzion think if it wasn't one big easy-to-spot company,
but
instead millions of individuals sending lots of traffic to Verizon
through
their connection to Level 3?
If Level 3 is sending too much traffic to Verizon, this seems like
an
L3/VZN problem, with basically nothing to do with Netflix -- even if
the
traffic is 100% from Netflix, that is literally none of Verizon's
business. (If they want it to be their business, they can go try to
sell
connectivity directly to Netflix.)
If I'm peering with L3, and they are constantly flooding the IX
point, then I do an analysis of the traffic and see "oh you've got an
abusive customer flooding us, make them stop", or I say "oh, that's
valid traffic, but it's a LOT of it, and it's impacting the
performance of other innocent traffic coming from L3", and I throttle
it to protect the other traffic from damage. Maybe if I've got an
economic incentive to do so, I upgrade the IX point to allow the
greater capacity, but just as a college might not be willing to
upgrade its ISP connection to improve Spotify performance, Verizon is
similarly not so inclined to do so for the L3 connection.
again, you paint this as if this Netflix traffic is unwanted by
Verizon. If that's the case, they shouldn't care that Netflix
performance is poor on their network, because they are deliberately
making it so, and should tell the customers to get a different ISP if
they want good Netflix performance.
I'll bet that if they made that statement, they would loose a lot of
customers pretty quickly.
David Lang
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