Jerald Sheets [email protected]
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 5:33 AM, Joseph Kern <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > An example: > > Here's my idea -- form a profession similar to the one engineers have and a > related trade guild, not a traditional labor union. Unions will never fly > with the Libertarian, lone wolf, I'm-better-than-everyone-in-my-field crowd. Which was exactly my reaction to the conversation when I read it this morning. I fly around the country on an expense account implementing DEVOPS solutions for big dollars. I really don’t want a union mucking with that. And yes… I’m better than everyone else. LOLOLOL… JUST KIDDING! > It would have to be structured around the professional licensure model, like > the AMA. The AMA and related organizations keep doctors employed and making > serious money. How do they do this? I have been thinking around this particular idea for awhile. With big money around certs (RHCA/E/etc. Solaris, AIX, etc.) and too many companies trying to push their own cert as “truly trained and qualified”, I think there’s too much noise in the landscape for the average CEO to discern what is what. However, a professional organization and licensure just might be the ticket. How they do it, though? I have no idea. > - Limiting labor supply by not allowing new medical school slots to be opened We have no professional degree, so that’s a bit misplaced for Systems work. > - Paying for laws their members need passed, such as forcing recent health > care reform to rely on the insurance model that keeps their reimbursement > rates high I’m not sure this is legal. It happens all the time and is the precise way government critters keep their pockets lined, but even though that’s the way the game is played, my personal ethics would actually keep me uninvolved in an organization that did this. > - Ensuring quality of profession members by licensing new medical school > grads, and training them through residency and fellowship programs How do you suppose a systems person will be able to go through residency? How will that be certified to the satisfaction of LOPSA (or this organization you speak of)? My school of theology, for instance, is all online, but you don’t get your ministerial licensure until you’ve interned, and IT ISN’T EASY. There is every bit as much study and time as the degree itself took. I have to do this parallel with my actual job and I have to have a sponsoring pastor to administer my internship/residency. (we’re not all mindless goofballs on the internet… some of us are actually scholars) He has work to do and I also have work to do to keep my family fed while making sure my residency is met. How would this sort of model translate to the workforce? Is it even feasible? > - Requiring continuing education Many of us never finished a CS curriculum. For instance, I was a music major and got into IT through BBSes. (!!) What precisely will you require as CE credits? What if I didn’t finish my degree? I have worked in the field for 25 years without a degree, having made a crap-ton of money and now I train people just like you in Puppet, Chef, DEVOPS, etc. The theology degree is my own pursuit I’ve done on my time aside from my job in only the last 4 years for my own personal fulfillment. How would you require such things when a degree is not in the mix? I know entirely too many people in our field with little to no college who are absolutely very talented individuals that would never take part due to the myopic degree requirements suggested by such a requirement. I know college is good. I know it’s a necessity for some modicum of success. But I also know it’s not for everyone. Some of the most talented developers I’ve ever met, for instance, are kids in their 20’s making six figures. Go ahead and try to tell them college is necessary. Some of the most talented Sysadmins I’ve ever met were self-taught and were making six figures or close to it just two years out of high school and decided not to go to college precisely because they had achieved what college promised to give them. Were there a college program anywhere for systems work, maybe there’d be an argument here, but aside from the one or two programs I’ve heard of, there are none to be had on the wide scale necessary to make your suggestions viable. —jus
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