On Wed, 11 Nov 2015, Yves Dorfsman wrote:
On 2015-11-10 03:33, Joseph Kern wrote:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/11/09/239224/fury-and-fear-in-ohio-as-it-jobs-go-to-india
That no longer matters.
My main concern about the need for professionalization was incompetent people
making the wrong decisions, competent people losing their jobs for refusing to
apply the wrong decisions and being priced out by people lacking
experience/skills.
if you are bneing priced out by peopel without your experience/skills either the
comapnies aren't doing as well as they could, or your experience/skills aren't
worth what you are asking for them. (this is not an attack on you or any
individual)
who gets to decide compentent vs incompetent? I've seen good, experienced people
insist that things had to be doen one way that would exceed the budget (time
and/or money) of the organization and the result would be as bad or worst than
doing nothing.
I'm not talking about ethical decisions here, just technical/process decisions.
For large companies this has been partially solved by SOX and PCI, and more of
those regulations are going to come.
For smaller companies, it is being solved by cargo cult and knowledge
"trickling down" from the bigger companies.
There's pleanty of cargo cult folks in big companies too, and there are small
companies doing new things, not just copying the 'big boys'
remember that the big companies started small, and mostly staqrted doing things
that the big companies of the time said was the wrong approach
addting to what was said earlier in the thread, there is no way to prevent
people from setting up their own systems, and if they do well and grow, you
aren't going to be able to tell them to stop because they now have to stop doing
the work and get the union people to do it instead. The most you can do is to
prevent people in your country from doing the work, but there are pleanty of
others around the world who will be willing to step in if the industry in your
area decides to slit it's own throat.
now more than ever, there is no line clearline between a hobbiest and a
professional. Either end of the spectrum could be managing systems completly
hostedn in AWS for example.
Trying to impose restrictions on who can run a server at the low end is silly
and impossible, and defining the line after which someone must suddently jump
through hoops to keep doing what they've ben successful at for years is a great
way to get ignored.
Providing ways to have people be able to show what they know and have others
vouch for them (i.e. a successful certification program) is a good idea.
Providing ways for people to be able to evaluate candidates is a good idea.
But anything that starts off with the idea of preventing people from being able
to work in the field for any reason (including that you consider them
incompentent do do so) is just not going to fly.
David Lang
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