To run this topic into the ground, we will end up with a small distinction between "open source projects" (software + community) and "project teams" (the developers producing the software).
In the examples that started this conversation: - The gvSig association has several open source projects, each of which has a project team. So "gvSIG Desktop" is an OSGeo Project, but i3Geo is not (although it is welcome to join incubation at any time). - For QGIS there are several open source projects (QGIS Desktop, QGIS Server, QField?). It is unclear to me if they are produced by differ project teams or if they share a codebase? -- Jody Garnett On 22 September 2017 at 10:16, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am going to grab a couple quotes from the other email thread: > > - Maria: *Our projects are much more than pieces of code. Behind our > software there are communities* > - Ben passing on: "Jon Kuperman @jkup Stop treating open source like > a product you purchased and start treating it like a team you belong to." > https://twitter.com/jkup/status/909887066103676928 > <https://twitter.com/jkup/status/909887066103676928> > - Ben: *We offer something that proprietary GIS never can: the > opportunity to join a community of peers.* > > I strongly agree with these statements; I think we have to present a list > of open source projects (rather than software) or we would not be doing > good outreach. > > Educating non-community members about this aspect - that open source is a > team, rather than a technology should be taken on from the very first page. > > Steve, if the discussion list can come to an agreement here, I would like > to ask for phrasing to use when restoring the home page to > "choose-a-project". It will be challenging to word in a way that > communicates well. > > (I also note the above quotes would be excellent for a "why open source" > page) > > -- > Jody Garnett > > On 20 September 2017 at 06:02, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I would like to bring to discuss a question that we are struggling with >> for the website/rebranding - do we present "open source software" or "open >> source projects"? >> >> This is not an easy answer, as the earlier discussion on this list did >> not know how to recognize projects doing a rewrite (example OL2 --> OL3, or >> project teams expanding and developing additional software components like >> QGIS Server. >> >> Here is the email from the marketing list: >> >> The choose-a-project wizard is now working, we had to cut down some of >>> the tags last week and change how the pages were done to make it happen. >>> This touches on a conversation with Steve Feldman from the code sprint. >>> As part of the focus exercise the home page >>> <http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/> was changed to says "Choose your >>> software" which then links to "choose-a-project". >>> It does bring up two interesting cases: >>> 1) http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/qgis/ >>> QGIS - has several software projects now under one banner: QGIS >>> Desktop, QGIS Server, more? >>> This is kind of messing with the system (and resulting in oddities like >>> QGIS being listed as a cloud processing service, I assume QGIS server could >>> run in the cloud and qgis desktop offers processing). >>> 2) http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/projects/gvsig/ >>> Same thing, there are now multiple gvSig software projects: gvSIG >>> Desktop, gvNIX, gvSIG Mobile, i3Geo >> >> >> >> Recommendation for the beta website: >>> - Making the QGIS Association page under Partners, linking to individual >>> pages for QGIS and QGIS Server project pages. >>> - Makin the gvSIG Association link to the individual software project >>> pages for gvSIG Desktop, gvNIX, gvSIG Mobile, i3Geo. >>> >> >> And Steven Feldman's reply: >> >> My 1st thoughts on ‘projects’ and ‘software' are to look at definitions: >>> *Project*: >>> >>> >>> *"In contemporary business >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_sector> and science >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science>, a project is an individual or >>> collaborative enterprise, possibly involving research or design, that is >>> carefully planned <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan>, usually by a >>> project team, to achieve a particular aim.[1] >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project#cite_note-1>A project may also be a >>> set of interrelated tasks to be executed over a fixed period and within >>> certain cost and other limitations.[2] >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project#cite_note-2>It may be a temporary >>> (rather than permanent) social systems >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_system> as work systems >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_systems> that is constituted by teams >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team> within or across organizations to >>> accomplish particular tasks >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_(project_management)> under time >>> constraints.[3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project#cite_note-3> A >>> project may be a part of a wider programme management >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_management>” **https://en.* >>> wikipedia.org/wiki/Project <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project> >>> *Software*: >>> *"Computer software, or simply software, is a part of a computer system >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_system> that consists of data >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_(computing)> or computer instructions, >>> in contrast to the physical hardware >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_hardware> from which the system is >>> built. In computer science >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science> and software engineering >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering>, computer software is >>> all information <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information> processed >>> by computer systems >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_system>, programs >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_program> and data. Computer >>> software includes computer programs >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_program>, libraries >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_(computing)> and related >>> non-executable data <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_(computing)>, such >>> as online documentation >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_documentation> or digital media >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_media>.” >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software> * >> >> >>> My interpretation: >>> Each different application e.g. QGIS Desktop, QGIS server is ‘software’ >>> (or we could alternatively use ‘application’ or 'program') >>> The QGIS Project is the umbrella organisation/collaboration/social >>> construct/enterprise that encompasses and coordinates the individual >>> software/applications/programs >>> I think the important thing for us as a marketing group is to consider >>> what these terms mean to potential users rather than how we use them >>> internally (for our community ‘project' can be interchangeable >>> with ‘software’). >> >> >> I am personally having a hard time thinking in terms of software since I >> like the fact that open source project encompasses both the technology and >> the people. >> -- >> Jody Garnett >> > >
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