It *is* difficult to discuss the budget when we can't quanitify our largest expense. :)
However, if our expenses go up significantly (by adding our actually electrical costs), and if nothing else changes (reduced expenses &/or new sources of revenue), then our membership dues will have to increase. My guesstimate is they'd have to increase by more than 50%, which doesn't sound good at all - I fear that such a large increase might cause membership to further drop. I wonder if we could qualify for a hydro grant by installing light timers/motion sensors, etc? On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Mark Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > On 08/29/12 13:35, Jay Smith wrote: > >> All of our financial information is available upon request to members, >> even the rent values. I do greatly appreciate your enthusiasm, but >> really, don't be afraid to ask me for the details before giving scary >> estimates :) >> > > I have an enthusiam for making some non-private things available to folks > without the barrier of them having to ask or wait. > (not saying you ought to going out of your way to do always do so -- for > the moment, this is an area where I'm willing and interested to take on the > public side of it) > > It's sort of a classic push vs pull kind of thing. > > I also have enthusiasm for putting out a version 0.1 release even if it's > wrong and causes a panic -- for me that's the path to soliciting better > information to reach version 1. > > To me at least this is a hacker style. > > > > The books can contain what some members would consider personal >> information, >> > > The actual detailed books of course are not one of those things I would > ever suggest making available. > > In personal privacy terms, there's a world of difference between summary > statements / projections and the actual detailed record books. Some folks > could perhaps get confused perhaps because bookkeeping software give you > the ability to create summary reports from the underlying detailed data. > > > > and the details and status of the lease is something we >> guard jealously considering the current rental market. This is doubly >> important considering our current situation. >> > > I've removed this from my projections: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**16487130/skullspace_budget.pdf<http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16487130/skullspace_budget.pdf> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**16487130/skullspace_budget.ods<http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16487130/skullspace_budget.ods> > and replaced it with a zero and "* Rent has been deemed too sensitive by > the Skullspace board to disclose publicly" > > I disagree with the reasons given off list for keeping our rent away from > public forum, but won't I share the info I've been provided here on list. > > > I'll make sure to have a cash-flow report ready for the next meeting. If >> anybody would like to meet sooner though, I am free over lunch on Friday >> to talk numbers. >> > > I'll drop a quick spoiler before then: >> - We can and will maintain a balanced budget. >> > > What I hope (and disclose publically if allowed) from our historical > records prior to Friday or Tuesday is: > > Re memberships: > > * Overall trend in membership numbers over the past year? > or > * Overall trend in getting folks who are behind to pay up and return once > they're harrased vs just discovering they are gone? (e.g. 50% of 2 month > deliquants are brought back) > or > * And/or anything else that would help us project membership dues going > forward. > (I'd like to go on the the assumption that we fix our electrical woes, but > otherwise imagine that there won't be great increase in organized activity > [classes, seminars, talks, etc] to drive more memberships. If we manage to > also do that then we'll be doing really well) > > > And also: > > * Net sales of junk food and or gross sales and cost of goods sold over > the past year > > * Net sales of merchandise and or gross and cost of goods sold over the > past year > > * donations over the past year > > All of these are variable over the course of the year (less in the summer) > but for projections purposes we can just take the annual and use the montly > average > > For the rent and aything else that comes up and is deemed private, I hope > we can achive a middle road between mailing list disclosure (very public) > and the only options offered now of asking or showing up to a meeting where > you recieve that has to be destroyed later. (very private) > > If the board will allow, I would like to put on the wall of the workshop > an updated version of cash flow projections that includes the real rent > number. > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/**index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss<http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss> > Archive: > https://groups.google.com/**group/skullspace-discuss-**archive/<https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/> >
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