Mark, I should be able to get all of that information at the next meeting without any problems. For improving "push" information disclosure, I believe at one point Mak had set up a financial mailing list for me, but I haven't put it to much use. I'll dust that off this weekend and use it to provide monthly reports. I'll stick to the standard balance, income, and cash-flow reports in addition to membership information. We'll restrict access to the list to members.
I apologize if I gave the impression that the handouts last night should have been destroyed. I didn't mean that the papers literally couldn't leave the room, just that the information shouldn't leave the people in the room (or the membership for that matter). That said: "I also have enthusiasm for putting out a version 0.1 release even if it's wrong and causes a panic -- for me that's the path to soliciting better information to reach version 1. To me at least this is a hacker style." - Mark Jenkins I'm not a big fan of panic in the morning. I'm not paid to take panicked emails and messages from well meaning, but misled, individuals. In fact, I'm not paid at all. I do this because on the whole, you're all amazing people. I've learned to accept that 70% of what I do is damage control, and that's okay - it's only natural with a crowd this size. However, intentionally causing panic to solicit better information from me? This can be construed as wildly disrespectful to my time. I like my time. I like my time a lot. Hell, my favourite song is even Pink Floyd's "Time". You don't strike me as a disrespectful person so I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but in the future, the best way to solicit information from me is to actually solicit information from me. If I fail to deliver, then feel free to go all hacker on my ass. I'd just like to know I deserve it first :) - Jay Smith On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Mark Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > On 08/29/12 13:35, Jay Smith wrote: > >> All of our financial information is available upon request to members, >> even the rent values. I do greatly appreciate your enthusiasm, but >> really, don't be afraid to ask me for the details before giving scary >> estimates :) >> > > I have an enthusiam for making some non-private things available to folks > without the barrier of them having to ask or wait. > (not saying you ought to going out of your way to do always do so -- for > the moment, this is an area where I'm willing and interested to take on the > public side of it) > > It's sort of a classic push vs pull kind of thing. > > I also have enthusiasm for putting out a version 0.1 release even if it's > wrong and causes a panic -- for me that's the path to soliciting better > information to reach version 1. > > To me at least this is a hacker style. > > > > The books can contain what some members would consider personal >> information, >> > > The actual detailed books of course are not one of those things I would > ever suggest making available. > > In personal privacy terms, there's a world of difference between summary > statements / projections and the actual detailed record books. Some folks > could perhaps get confused perhaps because bookkeeping software give you > the ability to create summary reports from the underlying detailed data. > > > > and the details and status of the lease is something we >> guard jealously considering the current rental market. This is doubly >> important considering our current situation. >> > > I've removed this from my projections: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**16487130/skullspace_budget.pdf<http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16487130/skullspace_budget.pdf> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**16487130/skullspace_budget.ods<http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16487130/skullspace_budget.ods> > and replaced it with a zero and "* Rent has been deemed too sensitive by > the Skullspace board to disclose publicly" > > I disagree with the reasons given off list for keeping our rent away from > public forum, but won't I share the info I've been provided here on list. > > > I'll make sure to have a cash-flow report ready for the next meeting. If >> anybody would like to meet sooner though, I am free over lunch on Friday >> to talk numbers. >> > > I'll drop a quick spoiler before then: >> - We can and will maintain a balanced budget. >> > > What I hope (and disclose publically if allowed) from our historical > records prior to Friday or Tuesday is: > > Re memberships: > > * Overall trend in membership numbers over the past year? > or > * Overall trend in getting folks who are behind to pay up and return once > they're harrased vs just discovering they are gone? (e.g. 50% of 2 month > deliquants are brought back) > or > * And/or anything else that would help us project membership dues going > forward. > (I'd like to go on the the assumption that we fix our electrical woes, but > otherwise imagine that there won't be great increase in organized activity > [classes, seminars, talks, etc] to drive more memberships. If we manage to > also do that then we'll be doing really well) > > > And also: > > * Net sales of junk food and or gross sales and cost of goods sold over > the past year > > * Net sales of merchandise and or gross and cost of goods sold over the > past year > > * donations over the past year > > All of these are variable over the course of the year (less in the summer) > but for projections purposes we can just take the annual and use the montly > average > > For the rent and aything else that comes up and is deemed private, I hope > we can achive a middle road between mailing list disclosure (very public) > and the only options offered now of asking or showing up to a meeting where > you recieve that has to be destroyed later. (very private) > > If the board will allow, I would like to put on the wall of the workshop > an updated version of cash flow projections that includes the real rent > number. > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/**index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss<http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss> > Archive: > https://groups.google.com/**group/skullspace-discuss-**archive/<https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/> >
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