In keeping with established procedures, I am going to point out that this is a "painting the bike shed" thread.
Classify information as publicly publishable, semi-private but unprotected, or confidential. Distribute information appropriately. If information got out that shouldn't have, it's done. If private information needs to be distributed, either put it on a secure file server and give out access appropriately, or email it directly (not through the lists). -- Chris On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Roswyne <rosw...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm confident the intent was to encourage everyone to pool information and > ideas. > > I trust no one who was at the meeting last night panicked! > > > On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Jay Smith <jayvsm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mark, > > I should be able to get all of that information at the next meeting > without any problems. For improving "push" information disclosure, I > believe at one point Mak had set up a financial mailing list for me, but I > haven't put it to much use. I'll dust that off this weekend and use it to > provide monthly reports. I'll stick to the standard balance, income, and > cash-flow reports in addition to membership information. We'll restrict > access to the list to members. > > I apologize if I gave the impression that the handouts last night should > have been destroyed. I didn't mean that the papers literally couldn't leave > the room, just that the information shouldn't leave the people in the room > (or the membership for that matter). > > That said: > "I also have enthusiasm for putting out a version 0.1 release even if it's > wrong and causes a panic -- for me that's the path to soliciting better > information to reach version 1. > To me at least this is a hacker style." - Mark Jenkins > > I'm not a big fan of panic in the morning. I'm not paid to take panicked > emails and messages from well meaning, but misled, individuals. In fact, > I'm not paid at all. I do this because on the whole, you're all amazing > people. I've learned to accept that 70% of what I do is damage control, and > that's okay - it's only natural with a crowd this size. > > However, intentionally causing panic to solicit better information from > me? This can be construed as wildly disrespectful to my time. I like my > time. I like my time a lot. Hell, my favourite song is even Pink Floyd's > "Time". You don't strike me as a disrespectful person so I'm sure it wasn't > intentional, but in the future, the best way to solicit information from me > is to actually solicit information from me. If I fail to deliver, then feel > free to go all hacker on my ass. I'd just like to know I deserve it first :) > > - Jay Smith > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Mark Jenkins < <m...@parit.ca> > m...@parit.ca> wrote: > >> On 08/29/12 13:35, Jay Smith wrote: >> >>> All of our financial information is available upon request to members, >>> even the rent values. I do greatly appreciate your enthusiasm, but >>> really, don't be afraid to ask me for the details before giving scary >>> estimates :) >>> >> >> I have an enthusiam for making some non-private things available to folks >> without the barrier of them having to ask or wait. >> (not saying you ought to going out of your way to do always do so -- for >> the moment, this is an area where I'm willing and interested to take on the >> public side of it) >> >> It's sort of a classic push vs pull kind of thing. >> >> I also have enthusiasm for putting out a version 0.1 release even if it's >> wrong and causes a panic -- for me that's the path to soliciting better >> information to reach version 1. >> >> To me at least this is a hacker style. >> >> >> >> The books can contain what some members would consider personal >>> information, >>> >> >> The actual detailed books of course are not one of those things I would >> ever suggest making available. >> >> In personal privacy terms, there's a world of difference between summary >> statements / projections and the actual detailed record books. Some folks >> could perhaps get confused perhaps because bookkeeping software give you >> the ability to create summary reports from the underlying detailed data. >> >> >> >> and the details and status of the lease is something we >>> guard jealously considering the current rental market. This is doubly >>> important considering our current situation. >>> >> >> I've removed this from my projections: >> <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16487130/skullspace_budget.pdf> >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**16487130/skullspace_budget.pdf >> <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16487130/skullspace_budget.ods> >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**16487130/skullspace_budget.ods >> and replaced it with a zero and "* Rent has been deemed too sensitive by >> the Skullspace board to disclose publicly" >> >> I disagree with the reasons given off list for keeping our rent away from >> public forum, but won't I share the info I've been provided here on list. >> >> >> I'll make sure to have a cash-flow report ready for the next meeting. If >>> anybody would like to meet sooner though, I am free over lunch on Friday >>> to talk numbers. >>> >> >> I'll drop a quick spoiler before then: >>> - We can and will maintain a balanced budget. >>> >> >> What I hope (and disclose publically if allowed) from our historical >> records prior to Friday or Tuesday is: >> >> Re memberships: >> >> * Overall trend in membership numbers over the past year? >> or >> * Overall trend in getting folks who are behind to pay up and return once >> they're harrased vs just discovering they are gone? (e.g. 50% of 2 month >> deliquants are brought back) >> or >> * And/or anything else that would help us project membership dues going >> forward. >> (I'd like to go on the the assumption that we fix our electrical woes, >> but otherwise imagine that there won't be great increase in organized >> activity [classes, seminars, talks, etc] to drive more memberships. If we >> manage to also do that then we'll be doing really well) >> >> >> And also: >> >> * Net sales of junk food and or gross sales and cost of goods sold over >> the past year >> >> * Net sales of merchandise and or gross and cost of goods sold over the >> past year >> >> * donations over the past year >> >> All of these are variable over the course of the year (less in the >> summer) but for projections purposes we can just take the annual and use >> the montly average >> >> For the rent and aything else that comes up and is deemed private, I hope >> we can achive a middle road between mailing list disclosure (very public) >> and the only options offered now of asking or showing up to a meeting where >> you recieve that has to be destroyed later. (very private) >> >> If the board will allow, I would like to put on the wall of the workshop >> an updated version of cash flow projections that includes the real rent >> number. >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: <http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss> >> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/**index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: <https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/> >> https://groups.google.com/**group/skullspace-discuss-**archive/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: <http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss> > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: <https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/> > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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