Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Ramp Up Manitoba and SkullSpace?

Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:22:10 -0700

We don't really have much for equipment, when you think of the volume of the room. A few bins of Stuff, some old CRTs, a stack of old computers and servers, and a handful of old LCD displays. Then there are those desks, which could be put to use elsewhere. I think Mark Jenkins' idea is to put thin clients everywhere, anyway, so weak (and 100W+) workstations don't make much sense. (Oh, and he's planning on getting that powerful graphics workstation going, sometime.) I'm wondering if we should just get rid of a few of those older LCDs during the charity buildathon.
The backest room is basically nothing but arcade machines, which can be put in various spots. 



Talking about the future, is is possible to loan them the space for the next 
half a year? Or so? Then AssentWorks can board up their door, and we can 
take the boards off our door (or Colin can just change how the fobs work; 
whatever) and we can take on that costs again -- after we've gotten all our 
other renovations done, and our other electrical in place.
The question here is, Do we need that room to expand a bit before 
AssentWorks leaves, or do we want to give up that space to gather precious 
funds for when AssentWorks leaves?



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From: Justin Lacko

Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Ramp Up Manitoba and SkullSpace?

If I could play devil's advocate... the only downside I see in this
plan is that we lose our planned computer room and arcade room, and
that equipment still kinda needs someplace to go.

However:
1. How many computers would we be setting up?
2. We have lots of bench space in the workshop... we should set up a
few stations in there; namely a CAD/3D modeling station (I need to get
on this but am holding off until there's sufficient power) - maybe 4
stations are enough?

Is it possible that we further bisect the assembly room in the back
and make two rooms so that we can have a less-dusty room for arcades?
Colin makes a good point that we probably won't use the full length of
the assembly room.

I think we should give the virtual reality machines back to Mike
Legary, because we really don't have the space to store them and right
now there's a lot required to get them going (is it worth it even?)

~Justin

On 4 October 2012 09:22, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm quite for this; we have lots of space (I don't imagine use every
using even half of the dirty workroom) and it'd be good to have all 3
organizations of the same type in the same place.

Also keep in mind, 150/mo over the 3 years of our lease is ~$5k, which
would pay for much of the electrical renos.


On 10/3/12, Michael Kozakewich <mkozakew...@icosidodecahedron.com> wrote:

lol wut. We just use the light of the tesla coil to find our way at 
night.


From: Michael Loney
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 7:21 PM
To: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca
Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Ramp Up Manitoba and SkullSpace?


Guys guys guys  ... all is well and good until they plug in a night 
light.


G Mike

On Oct 3, 2012 7:19 PM, "Adrian Stoness" <tdk.kni...@gmail.com> wrote:

  the arcade could go in the back elevator room


  On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Michael Kozakewich
<mkozakew...@icosidodecahedron.com> wrote:

    It’s $100/month for both those back rooms?

    If we determine that we have enough space in other rooms, we could 
live
without that. One of the big complaints I’ve heard was that even though 
our

space is cheap, we have so much of it.

    We could free up space in the lounge by building (or getting) better

shelving. Most of the wall space against the back wall could hold stuff, 
and

we could fit one of the more popular game machines.
    When is the dirty work room going to be usable? (I see temporary

storage.) What does RampUp need in a space, anyway? (Maybe we could store 
a

couple things around them, if they just need table space and presenting
area.)

    From: Jay Smith
    Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 6:13 PM
    To: Justin Lacko
    Cc: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca
    Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Ramp Up Manitoba and SkullSpace?

    It's $2.045/sqft/year, so we would save $97.99/month on rent (not
including gst).

    And yes, we're no longer feeling very paranoid about hiding the rent
figures :P



    On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Justin Lacko <jus...@takaji.ca> 
wrote:



      More around $2. But let's see if Jay can provide us with the 
numbers.



      On 3 October 2012 17:41, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote:

      > We have roughy 4000 - 4500 sqft right now. 500 is between 20 and 
25%

of

      > our rent. Our rent is what, $750/month, plus heat + possibly 
power,

so
      > it'd be $200 - $400 / month, minimum.
      >
      > Also, tell them they have to clean the toilets.
      >
      > Ron
      >
      > On 2012-10-03 17:28, Mark Campbell wrote:
      >> I think it was around $1/sq. ft.?
      >>
      >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Justin Lacko <jus...@takaji.ca>
wrote:
      >>
      >> > I don't know - Jay knows how many sq. ft. we're paying for
currently.
      >> >
      >> > On 3 October 2012 17:18, Mark Campbell <nitrod...@gmail.com>
wrote:
      >> > > How much would skullspace save by giving up 575 square feet?
      >> > >

      >> > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Justin Lacko 
<jus...@takaji.ca>

wrote:
      >> > >>

      >> > >> You guys are making this harder than it needs to be... no, 
we

won't
      >> > >> try to make them SkSp members... why would Ramp Up want to
join us?
      >> > >>
      >> > >> Why would we look into building some kind of corridor that
will

      >> > >> severely decrease our hallway space and just create more 
work

for us?
      >> > >>

      >> > >> Why would we look into administering the space and 
providing

power and
      >> > >> finished rooms and then charge some kind of adjusted rent,
which would

      >> > >> create a huge headache for us (and I would not be willing 
to

manage a

      >> > >> space that we sublet, less I become a kind of defacto 
landlord

myself
      >> > >> >_>)?
      >> > >>
      >> > >> The easiest solution... and the one that requires almost no
investment

      >> > >> from us and instant reward in the form of reduced rent... 
is

to wall

      >> > >> off the entry from the lounge, or from the first room in 
the

set of

      >> > >> two, and give the space to AW and adjust the amount of sq. 
ft.

we pay
      >> > >> for.
      >> > >>
      >> > >> To note: the two rooms make up 575 sq. ft. (taken from CAD
drawing).
      >> > >>

      >> > >> I think if we go looking to charge an adjusted rent for 
these

guys

      >> > >> it'll just be a waste of our time and resources and put 
more

      >> > >> management on our end.
      >> > >>
      >> > >>
      >> > >>

      >> > >> On 3 October 2012 16:49, Mark Campbell 
<nitrod...@gmail.com>

wrote:

      >> > >> > This is a version of the electrical plan with the 
dimensions

needed.
      >> > >> > It's
      >> > >> > approximately 500 square feet (31*16).
      >> > >> >

      >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Roswyne 
<rosw...@gmail.com>

wrote:
      >> > >> >>
      >> > >> >> How big is the room?  It may be more cost effective for
them just to
      >> > >> >> buy
      >> > >> >> SkSp memberships.
      >> > >> >>
      >> > >> >> (i.e. if the room's 10'x10', 10 of them could get SkSp
memberships
      >> > for
      >> > >> >> the
      >> > >> >> same price, and simply bring in other people as guests)
      >> > >> >>

      >> > >> >> Alternately, if they're already affiliated with AW, 
perhaps

they
      >> > could
      >> > >> >> just use the boardroom there?  I don't think AW has any
particular
      >> > use
      >> > >> >> for
      >> > >> >> another "office" type room.
      >> > >> >>
      >> > >> >>
      >> > >> >>
      >> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Mark Campbell
<nitrod...@gmail.com>
      >> > >> >> wrote:
      >> > >> >>>
      >> > >> >>> Mike mentioned $4/square foot being the least expensive
option for
      >> > >> >>> renting space in the exchange (not including the
maintenance,
      >> > heating,
      >> > >> >>> electricity). A figure around that (not sure what the
square footage
      >> > >> >>> of the
      >> > >> >>> room(s) are), if not a moderately less, would be
appropriate.
      >> > >> >>>
      >> > >> >>>
      >> > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Justin Lacko
<jus...@takaji.ca>
      >> > wrote:
      >> > >> >>>>
      >> > >> >>>> Negligible... I mean how much could we charge them in
reality? We'd

      >> > >> >>>> have to provide electrical to the room, and finish 
it...

that's not

      >> > >> >>>> thinking about renovations for access control (if we 
deem

it

      >> > >> >>>> necessary). It'd be much easier and save us more money 
in

the long
      >> > >> >>>> run

      >> > >> >>>> IMO to just wall it off from our side either one or 
two

rooms, and
      >> > >> >>>> then let AW build a door into it.
      >> > >> >>>>
      >> > >> >>>> On 3 October 2012 16:34, Mark Campbell
<nitrod...@gmail.com>
      >> > wrote:

      >> > >> >>>> > I think it's a worthwhile venture, yes. At least 
with

this
      >> > >> >>>> > renovation,
      >> > >> >>>> > there's a return on investment.
      >> > >> >>>> >
      >> > >> >>>> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Justin Lacko
<jus...@takaji.ca>
      >> > >> >>>> > wrote:
      >> > >> >>>> >>

      >> > >> >>>> >> Creating a hallway would make our lounge even 
smaller

and I'm
      >> > sure

      >> > >> >>>> >> we'd have to make it extra wide to follow any kind 
of

code - it
      >> > >> >>>> >> would

      >> > >> >>>> >> take a significant portion out of our space - and 
do

you really
      >> > >> >>>> >> want
      >> > >> >>>> >> to start even *more* renovations for SkSp??
      >> > >> >>>> >>
      >> > >> >>>> >> On 3 October 2012 16:27, Mark Campbell
<nitrod...@gmail.com>
      >> > >> >>>> >> wrote:
      >> > >> >>>> >> > That actually sounds like a great idea. It's a
perfect
      >> > >> >>>> >> > opportunity
      >> > >> >>>> >> > to

      >> > >> >>>> >> > renovate the rooms in a nice way. Creating a 
hallway

between
      >> > the
      >> > >> >>>> >> > main

      >> > >> >>>> >> > hallway and the backroom shouldn't pose any 
problem

at that
      >> > >> >>>> >> > point.
      >> > >> >>>> >> >
      >> > >> >>>> >> >
      >> > >> >>>> >> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Justin Lacko <
      >> > jus...@takaji.ca>
      >> > >> >>>> >> > wrote:
      >> > >> >>>> >> >>
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> Mark,
      >> > >> >>>> >> >>

      >> > >> >>>> >> >> The savings would be the same... we'd pay less 
for

our lease
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> because
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> of less floor space. We'd also not need to worry
about
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> providing
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> them
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> with power.
      >> > >> >>>> >> >>
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> If you wanna go the other way, we'd have to
      >> > administrate/manage
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> the
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> rented space, provide power/finished walls/a
certain degree
      >> > of
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> tenant

      >> > >> >>>> >> >> requirements, determine a price for power, as 
well

as debate
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> access

      >> > >> >>>> >> >> control since they'd be going through SkSp to 
get

to the
      >> > rooms.
      >> > >> >>>> >> >>
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> On 3 October 2012 16:19, Mark Campbell
<nitrod...@gmail.com>
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> wrote:

      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > Justin, from your mention of repartitioning 
the

space so
      >> > that
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > AW
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > has
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > more, I
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > do not agree with this -- I was originally
thinking that we
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > could
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > make a
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > significant profit from leasing space to RU --
that is, we
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > charge
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > them
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > more
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > $$ per square foot than we pay on our current
lease.
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Ron
<r...@skullsecurity.net
      >> > >
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >>
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> Depending on what they need, they can just
become sksp
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> members
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> then
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> use
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> the space as they wish :)
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >>
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> Ron
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >>
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> On 2012-10-03 14:41, Justin Lacko wrote:

      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > Something that came up at yesterday's 
meeting

that I
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > believe
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > may
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > warrant further discussion:
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > Does anybody like the idea of SkullSpace
renting out
      >> > some
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > of
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > their
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > space to Ramp Up Manitoba?
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > This is a small group that recently merged
with
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > AssentWorks,
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > and
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > they

      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > are looking for space. We could rent the 
two

back rooms
      >> > to
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > them
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > and
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > help decrease our operating cost (which is
slated to go
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > up,
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > btw).
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > We
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > have a lot of space - it's just an idea.
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >
      >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > Let's hear comments for/against!
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