You guys are just muddying the discussion. Nobody is questioning the
use of Aganda's and minutes, and nobody is even remotely mentioning
mission critical safety systems.

Just stick to a safe and simple format for communicating these things
over a mailing list - and don't abandon the document store that has
served us well unless you have a solid plan for replacing it.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote:
> All,
>
>
> We need to support our board in this monumental task. There are some things
> that can be comfortably in the "hacker ethic" mashed together with tape and
> glue and mad skilzz and that's fine.
>
>
> Mission critical systems, life safety and governance are areas where the
> "hacker ethic" is not acceptable. As a board the members are responsible and
> actually liable for failures - in the most serious situation it could result
> in criminal prosecution on the above listed items. It's true that board
> insurance provides some sense of relief should things go sideways, that's
> why insurance is in place.
>
>
> Egregious conduct, negligence and incompetence can not be insured against.
> Long before anything like that happens, governance needs to be in place,
> organizational accountability has to be established. These are areas where
> SkullSpace is vulnerable.
>
>
> I applaud and support the boards efforts to ensure accountability and
> address issues of life safety and governance. Agendas and Minutes are a
> small step in the right direction and it upsets me that the discussion has
> been about the format and location rather than content.
>
>
> Please allow the board both flexibility and your support to address the
> serious issues of the day.
>
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: [email protected]
> <[email protected]> on behalf of Brittany Postnikoff
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: March 11, 2014 13:33
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Document storage
>
> Good points,
>
> I am trying to introduce some officialness because we do have some serious
> problems popping up that could effect our interactions with the outside
> world. Yes, our community, support, etcetera is great, but a lot of other
> business end things aren't. Hopefully with some training and understanding
> of a how a business operates, no matter what type it it, will help things
> flow better and make it less work to run SkullSpace.
>
> Minutes and agendas are the easiest way to organize what we are doing, and
> other processes can be added from there. Really, minutes are important
> supportive documents and should really say all we have done. Right now they
> are quite sparse and, I feel, uninformative. Also, now that we have the
> by-laws to read the minutes out at the beginning of every meeting, it just
> makes sense to do the quick vote after bringing them in. So, why make the
> effort of posting until the minutes are accurate? Yes, there is a week delay
> on the wiki, but that's why we are sending out via discuss as soon as they
> are done.
>
> You are right, this doesn't pass the sudden death test, this will be added
> to the board meeting tonight to make sure we have a backup plan, thank you!
>
>
> I wasn't talking about looks when it comes to the wiki. Although, when we
> are trying to show off our mad skills, and we do it with an outdated wiki,
> it doesn't really give the image of a super awesome place to be.
> For example, what are these pages and how old are they? Have any been
> updated?
> http://wiki.skullspace.ca/Wishlist
> http://wiki.skullspace.ca/Parts_Database
> http://wiki.skullspace.ca/Category:Projects
> http://wiki.skullspace.ca/Chat
> http://wiki.skullspace.ca/Community_Events (Broken link/editing at top?)
> Also, how many junk pages do we have that can be trimmed? I just find it a
> bit disappointing. While I am on vacation the next couple weeks I am going
> to throw a bunch of time into updating the wiki, there just hasn't been
> time. If anyone wants to go ahead and get rid of the junk, I would be really
> grateful.
>
> I do want to put an emphasis on processes. Why do things ourselves when we
> can make some things to do other things for us?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >    3) Minutes really should be approved before posting them to our
>> > archives.
>> >    The quick posting through discuss is being done this way so people
>> > can
>> >    review before approving at the meeting.
>>
>> The wiki/archives can be changed, if needed. I don't know how 'official'
>> people want to be, I've never really held with officialness, obviously
>> :)
>>
>> >    4) I am keeping the most recent version. That is why I am trying to
>> > add
>> >    the statement to contact me to add any changes. The moat recent
>> > version
>> >    really only needs to benin possession of the person chairing that
>> > week's
>> >    meeting.
>>
>> That kind of thing doesn't pass the "hit by a bus" test.
>>
>> >    The wiki looks terrible, is outdated, and needs serious TLC. It is on
>> > the
>> >    boards list of things to do, but is much less pressing than a lot of
>> > other
>> >    tasks we are facing.
>>
>> Looks don't really matter, though we can theme it differently if that's
>> an actual problem.
>>
>> The software isn't seriously outdated, and I spend a lot of time keeping
>> the information up to date. It should be reasonably up to date.
>>
>> It definitely needs some serious TLC. :)
>>
>> >    We have very few processes in place in the organization right now. We
>> > need
>> >    a bit of an overhaul and these are first steps. Yes it is rocky, and
>> > the
>> >    comments are appreciated! Hopefully next week all is fixed.
>>
>> Yeah, processes have always been a pain point for us. We have some
>> documented on the wiki, but nobody follows them (or knows about them). :)
>>
>> >
>> >    --BP
>> >
>> >    I agree the wiki is a probably the best place for our documents.
>> >    Especially if they require collaboration. However, I would like to
>> > see us
>> >    going back to having the agenda and meeting minutes pasted into the
>> > body
>> >    of emails.
>> >    Brian Kulyk
>> >    204.887.6988
>> >
>> >    On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >      Hey folks,
>> >
>> >      There has been a lot of complaining on the lists lately about
>> > document
>> >      formats and such, so I thought I'd make a new thread for it.
>> >
>> >      In the past week, me and Nathan updated the various wiki pages
>> > related
>> >      to the election. Me and Mak used to do this, but neither of us are
>> > on
>> >      the board now so I'd appreciate it if the current board could take
>> > over
>> >      responsibility for tracking our history on the wiki. It's our only
>> > real
>> >      historical record.
>> >
>> >      More importantly, I've noticed Word docs going around lately. I
>> > don't
>> >      know where that came from, but unless we're also installing
>> > Sharepoint
>> >      or something similar, I think this is a bad, bad idea. Word offers
>> > no
>> >      way to collaborate, version, share, and link other than attaching
>> > to
>> >      emails and arguing about who has the most recent version.
>> >
>> >      Plus, using commercial products is very non-hackery. I'd even call
>> > it
>> >      mildly embarrassing. *MY* SkullSpace using .docx? OMGZ!? :)
>> >
>> >      Anyway, I *highly* recommend using the wiki for this sort of thing.
>> > If
>> >      there's some reason we stopped using the wiki, then let's tackle
>> > that (I
>> >      can install new plugins or whatever if that's the issue) or let's
>> > look
>> >      for a different solution. If we need professional looking
>> > documents, we
>> >      can copy stuff from the wiki into a .docx when needed.
>> >
>> >      Much to the chagrin of others, I brought up Google Docs in the
>> > other
>> >      thread. Yes, it's the company I work for. I think the wiki is a
>> > much
>> >      better solution, but Docs has the collaboration/sharing/etc that
>> > Word
>> >      lacks, and is also open to all (with a Google account). We also use
>> >      Google Calendar, so if somebody is willing to take the time to set
>> >      everything up, we can use the full ecosystem. But I still think the
>> > Wiki
>> >      is the way to go.
>> >
>> >      So yeah, please use this thread to discuss this sorta thing. And if
>> > you
>> >      *do* decide that .docx is the most hackery format, then be prepared
>> > for
>> >      me to complain every time I see it on the list. :P
>> >      Ron
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