Roswyne - just give it a break. What we're doing it working. We don't need to publish a list. We decided early on that we wouldn't, and nothing has changed.
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: > Great, but then other members don't know that they are making these > assessments or on what basis. > > I would rather the group agree on terms, and the board act according to > them. > On May 8, 2014 12:54 PM, "Adam Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On May 8, 2014 12:32:43 PM CDT, Ian Trump <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> OK, >>> >>> >>> >>> I want to enter the discussion here. I feel there should be two rates. >>> Full and Reduced (50%). Everyone by default pays Full. However, the board >>> will listen to individual cases and grant either a 6 month or 12 month >>> Reduced Rate for that person. I think this would be more fair and empower >>> the board to make decisions on a case-by-case basis. A person who is a >>> student, full or part time and/or is under employed and/or other mitigating >>> circumstances has an opportunity to plead their individual case to the >>> board for a Reduced Rate. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* [email protected] < >>> [email protected]> on behalf of Roswyne < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Sent:* May 8, 2014 12:25 >>> *To:* Skull Space Discussion List >>> *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] contribute your time >>> >>> >>> If we're questioning what qualifies someone as a student to determine >>> membership fees, surely it's even more important to validate current >>> membership status before discounting class fees. >>> >>> It is important that we not only treat each other fairly, but that we >>> also do so visibly and publicly. While I am not concerned about any current >>> member defrauding us in such a way, by definition, only non-members could >>> do so intentionally. However, a member in poor standing (arrears) would >>> also presumably be ineligible, and could claim a discount either >>> accidentally or intentionally. >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 8, 2014 10:45 AM, "Ron Bowes" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> That's not a bylaw, it's a policy. That's an important legal >>>> distinction. >>>> >>>> If it's a concern (which it isn't), we can rig up a place for people >>>> to scan their keyfobs to verify membership. But that's silly. For a group >>>> like ours, honour system is fine. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Different pricing for SkSp members would almost have to be on the >>>>> honour system, since no list of members is permitted, according to our >>>>> bylaws. >>>>> >>>>> Although I suppose you could test if someone's fob is active to verify >>>>> their membership if they indicate they are a member. >>>>> On May 8, 2014 10:17 AM, "Ron Bowes" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Rylaan - we talked about doing that in the past (free/cheap for >>>>>> members, not for non-members), and I'm 100% in favour. It just requires a >>>>>> little more effort on the part of the organizer to figure out who's >>>>>> who(m) >>>>>> and to collect money. Since our default stance is 'lazy', nobody's tried >>>>>> it >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Rylaan Gimby <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I wanted to open it up all classes to the general public. Members >>>>>>> get in free (or a drastically reduced rate depending on the class), and >>>>>>> non-members pay. It shows off a membership benefit to non members, and >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> fee can go towards and teaching materials / teachers (if we had to >>>>>>> bring in >>>>>>> a non member teacher for something specific or for certification) that >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> to be paid for, and the rest of the money to be donated to skullspace. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Roswyne <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, if the group is charging attendees a fee, I would more >>>>>>>> strongly suggest a donation be made to SkSp. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 7, 2014 8:35 PM, "Ron Bowes" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like Alex said, if a member is present, it's free. If nobody is a >>>>>>>>> sksp member and they want to use the space, it's still free, provided >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> fits with our goals (ie, no cross burning) but they need a member to >>>>>>>>> babysit them. It's usually easy to find a volunteer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The more non-members who show up, the more we encourage a group >>>>>>>>> to donate to us, or have an option entrance fee. But we don't enforce >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Alex Weber <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Free, as in money? We've never mandated any cost to use >>>>>>>>>> SkullSpace's facilities. As long as a member is present, it's free. >>>>>>>>>> Period. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Ric Lim <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Somewhat related to this. Is our policy for classroom use still >>>>>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>>>>> for a group meeting with member(s) who are part of Skullspace? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/7/14, R Rodd <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > Sounds great, Theo - I'm in! >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > "More learning? Yes please!" >>>>>>>>>>> > On May 7, 2014 2:15 PM, "Theo Baschak" < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> I have been prepping an "afternoon IPv6 workshop" since >>>>>>>>>>> BSides basically, >>>>>>>>>>> >> for a hackathon or perhaps even its own event. Oriented to >>>>>>>>>>> network guys, >>>>>>>>>>> >> server dudes, and perhaps even programmers, who want to be >>>>>>>>>>> more aware of >>>>>>>>>>> >> and get familiar (yes, hands on) with IPv6. Some of the >>>>>>>>>>> topics: >>>>>>>>>>> >> Addressing/Subnetting, new concepts (SLAAC, ULA, privacy >>>>>>>>>>> addressing), >>>>>>>>>>> >> v4/v6 >>>>>>>>>>> >> rough equivalencies where they exist and the differences from >>>>>>>>>>> v4, NO NEED >>>>>>>>>>> >> FOR NAT (but you still can), what IPv6 looks/works like for >>>>>>>>>>> home users, >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >>>>>>>>>>> >> name a few. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> There has been some interest expressed by others in both >>>>>>>>>>> putting this on, >>>>>>>>>>> >> and also in attending such a talk/workshop. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >> Theo >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On May 7, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Robert Keizer <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'd be interested in doing a design 101 course.. and I >>>>>>>>>>> imagine that >>>>>>>>>>> >> > with a little advertising lots of people would also attend. >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Rylaan Gimby < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> That course was really exciting to me for the reason you >>>>>>>>>>> mentioned, it >>>>>>>>>>> >> ties >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> the fundamental hardware concepts all the way to the >>>>>>>>>>> software. The >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> only >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> thing we need to make sure of is that the test answers >>>>>>>>>>> don't get out >>>>>>>>>>> >> online. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> They use this in universities, so having homework answers >>>>>>>>>>> online is a >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> problem. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> On May 3, 2014 1:37 PM, "R Rodd" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> I could teach that course for you, Rylaan, or co-teach as >>>>>>>>>>> I know we >>>>>>>>>>> >> have >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> several members skilled in the material covered by it and >>>>>>>>>>> likely more >>>>>>>>>>> >> than a >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> few interested in teaching it. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> The video you linked mentioned it being a 12 week >>>>>>>>>>> structure - I'm >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> game >>>>>>>>>>> >> for >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> doing it over the summer but when would be best for >>>>>>>>>>> yourself and >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> other >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> potential participants? >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> From the description in the video it is exactly the kind >>>>>>>>>>> of course >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> that >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> should have been in my Comp. Eng. program in 2nd or 3rd >>>>>>>>>>> year to "tie >>>>>>>>>>> >> it all >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> together" .. fortunately for me I was doing similar >>>>>>>>>>> projects in high >>>>>>>>>>> >> school >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> and through the IEEE student group on campus. Those >>>>>>>>>>> projects gave >>>>>>>>>>> >> context >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> to the abstract theories covered in class. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> - Richard >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>> On May 3, 2014 12:14 PM, "Rylaan Gimby" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> I have a Graphic Design 101 course that I've been >>>>>>>>>>> planning for >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> Maybe it's time to put it on. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> I also just received the teaching materials for this >>>>>>>>>>> course, >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> http://www.nand2tetris.org/ I don't know if I have the >>>>>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>>>>> >> abilities >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> to put it on though, since I would be learning myself. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Adrian Stoness >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> id be down for that rhinoceros corse been yrs since i >>>>>>>>>>> last looked >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> ath >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> that program >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> on another note justing i got a photo going up at this >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.labiennale.org/en/architecture/news/25-01.html?back=true >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Justin Lacko < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> We may not be fully sustainable on our own yet, but I >>>>>>>>>>> think that >>>>>>>>>>> >> with >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> each passing month we are getting closer and closer to >>>>>>>>>>> that goal. >>>>>>>>>>> >> In the >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> time since I've left I've seen many new names be added >>>>>>>>>>> to the list >>>>>>>>>>> >> of >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> members. I think there would be cause for concern if >>>>>>>>>>> that wasn't >>>>>>>>>>> >> happening, >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> but it is. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> As Mark said, SkSp will always be about people >>>>>>>>>>> donating their time >>>>>>>>>>> >> (and >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> their money) to the continuation of the space. But >>>>>>>>>>> this is a >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> proven >>>>>>>>>>> >> business >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> model for orgs such as ours and I think we should >>>>>>>>>>> continue to >>>>>>>>>>> >> embrace it. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> I think I mentioned it in the past that in my >>>>>>>>>>> experience of >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> sitting >>>>>>>>>>> >> on >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> a different board, that organization met at a >>>>>>>>>>> semi-private school. >>>>>>>>>>> >> Each time >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> we had a meeting, we made a resolution to donate $40 >>>>>>>>>>> or something >>>>>>>>>>> >> to the >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> school, in exchange for letting us use their >>>>>>>>>>> facilities. That >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> board >>>>>>>>>>> >> had >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> money in the bank, so I wouldn't expect it from every >>>>>>>>>>> org that >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> uses >>>>>>>>>>> >> our >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> space, but I think it's the right attitude towards >>>>>>>>>>> using our >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> space. >>>>>>>>>>> >> A >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> gentle, non-direct request for donations in exchange >>>>>>>>>>> for our >>>>>>>>>>> >> facilities >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> wouldn't hurt anybody - and nobody would be obliged to >>>>>>>>>>> donate if >>>>>>>>>>> >> they >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> couldn't/didn't want to. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> As much as there's shared worries about the financial >>>>>>>>>>> future of >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> space, it seems like we are on the right track, and >>>>>>>>>>> now is the >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> re-focus our sustainability strategies on growing our >>>>>>>>>>> membership >>>>>>>>>>> >> base >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> through value-added content, like workshops and >>>>>>>>>>> circuit-bending >>>>>>>>>>> >> nights and >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> everything else. In the future, it would be greatly >>>>>>>>>>> satisfying to >>>>>>>>>>> >> see a >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> calendar with an event/workshop almost every night - >>>>>>>>>>> everything >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> hacker-themed cooking classes to PGP how-tos to CTFs >>>>>>>>>>> etc etc - >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> >> will be >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> the draw for people to join and donate their time. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> If I'm around in August, feel free to put me down for a >>>>>>>>>>> >> multi-evening >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> course teaching Rhinoceros 3D modeling and VRay >>>>>>>>>>> rendering skills! >>>>>>>>>>> >> I'll help >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> out with SkSp however I can. And of course Friday >>>>>>>>>>> night movie >>>>>>>>>>> >> nights :) >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> -Justin >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 3 May 2014 01:33, Mark Jenkins <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I'm very pleased to hear that a portion of the fees >>>>>>>>>>> were paid to >>>>>>>>>>> >> SkSp >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> a thank-you for using the space. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I see it more than just thank-you but as respectful >>>>>>>>>>> rent decided >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> upfront -- if she's making money teaching to mostly >>>>>>>>>>> non-members >>>>>>>>>>> >> then >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Skullspace deserves a cut for its contribution. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> It's different if is someone is charging money for a >>>>>>>>>>> members-only >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> workshop (then Skullspace needs no rent as Skullspace >>>>>>>>>>> is getting >>>>>>>>>>> >> value by a >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> member specific or member discounted service being >>>>>>>>>>> delivered) or >>>>>>>>>>> >> if the room >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> is used by something like a usergroup (where nobody >>>>>>>>>>> is getting >>>>>>>>>>> >> paid). >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> For usergroups with hacker worthy subject matter, we >>>>>>>>>>> might not >>>>>>>>>>> >> want to >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> go as far as asking rent, but to make a requirement >>>>>>>>>>> that they >>>>>>>>>>> >> circulate a >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> collection donation cup/hat/pot to their attendees >>>>>>>>>>> each time they >>>>>>>>>>> >> use the >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> room. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Even our internal events with non-members showing up >>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>> >> include a >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> good cup passing beg moment when we've got the crowd 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when a situation not previously >> envisioned occurs. >> >> Regulation for the sake of regulation is, IMO, a sign of pervasive moral >> failure, and indicates an absolute lack of trust in others. >> >> The complement to this is that anytime you have people making decisions >> on the basis of their own opinions, there must be an avenue of appeal. >> >> -Adam >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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