David,

Cfengine, and in particular Cfengine3, will not provide a turnkey
solution for what you describe, which is why Ed prefaced this with "if
you look at this [as] a part of a larger opportunity".

But Cfengine3 has so much more potential than simple maintenance of
system configs and software.  It is better to think of Cfengine as an
autonomic system:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomic_system_(computing)

It would require some thought, and maybe some supplemental scripts for
Cfengine to utilize, but it certainly should be possible to implement
a framework for accomplishing what you seek.

The question is, after you finish, will you at least break even
compared to one year's expense for the commercial offerings you
described.

--Aaron

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:10, <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Ed wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:12 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I currently have a commercial tool that does root password management and
>>> am looking for other options (the maintinance price of this tool is in the
>>> 6-digits per year)
>>>
>>> the tool reaches out and changes the root passwords on the systems, and
>>> then has an sudited request/approve/release process for giving out the
>>> root password as needed (an then changing it afterwords)
>>>
>>> we use this for cases where our normal access methods (including sudo type
>>> things) don't work, so I'm not interested (at this time) in discussions on
>>> those types of tools, just tools that can change the root passwords
>>> periodicly and then release them to the sysadmins as needed.
>>>
>>> I know that thre are at least three companies doing commercial tools that
>>> do this
>>>
>>> Symark (Power Keeper)
>>> Quest
>>> and I'm forgetting the name of the third company (Symark's Power Keeper
>>> started off as a re-branding of this other company and now the codebase
>>> has forked)
>>>
>>> any suggestions (including open source options)?
>>>
>>> David Lang
>>
>>
>> David,
>>
>> If you look at this a small part of a larger opportunity, you might
>> give CFengine3 a look - the management of ID & certs is an important
>> part of its operation. You can start off free, and go pro if you
>> deploy.
>>
>> this isn't exactly a GUI app - fair warning,... err a promise (ever
>> heard of Promise Theory?)  http://www.cfengine.org/
>
> I know a little about cfengine, but I've never heard of CFengine being
> used to change root passwords on a machine, let alone any mechanism to
> issue the root password to users as needed and audit it.
>
> if I am wrong and cfengine has this sort of capability, please point me at
> it, but my understanding is taht cfengine is for building and maintaining
> system configs and software.
>
> David Lang
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