On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Aaron McCaleb wrote:

> David,
>
> Cfengine, and in particular Cfengine3, will not provide a turnkey
> solution for what you describe, which is why Ed prefaced this with "if
> you look at this [as] a part of a larger opportunity".
>
> But Cfengine3 has so much more potential than simple maintenance of
> system configs and software.  It is better to think of Cfengine as an
> autonomic system:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomic_system_(computing)
>
> It would require some thought, and maybe some supplemental scripts for
> Cfengine to utilize, but it certainly should be possible to implement
> a framework for accomplishing what you seek.
>
> The question is, after you finish, will you at least break even
> compared to one year's expense for the commercial offerings you
> described.

If I am having to develop the system myself, I can do it with something 
that's much simpler than cfengine, and doesn't require introducing 
cfengine on systems that other departments control.

overall, I don't see how cfengine actually gains me anything.

yes, if I was really trying to introduce cfengine I could possibly use 
this as a hook to try and drive it, but that would be questionable at 
least.

David Lang

> --Aaron
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:10, <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Ed wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:12 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I currently have a commercial tool that does root password management and
>>>> am looking for other options (the maintinance price of this tool is in the
>>>> 6-digits per year)
>>>>
>>>> the tool reaches out and changes the root passwords on the systems, and
>>>> then has an sudited request/approve/release process for giving out the
>>>> root password as needed (an then changing it afterwords)
>>>>
>>>> we use this for cases where our normal access methods (including sudo type
>>>> things) don't work, so I'm not interested (at this time) in discussions on
>>>> those types of tools, just tools that can change the root passwords
>>>> periodicly and then release them to the sysadmins as needed.
>>>>
>>>> I know that thre are at least three companies doing commercial tools that
>>>> do this
>>>>
>>>> Symark (Power Keeper)
>>>> Quest
>>>> and I'm forgetting the name of the third company (Symark's Power Keeper
>>>> started off as a re-branding of this other company and now the codebase
>>>> has forked)
>>>>
>>>> any suggestions (including open source options)?
>>>>
>>>> David Lang
>>>
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> If you look at this a small part of a larger opportunity, you might
>>> give CFengine3 a look - the management of ID & certs is an important
>>> part of its operation. You can start off free, and go pro if you
>>> deploy.
>>>
>>> this isn't exactly a GUI app - fair warning,... err a promise (ever
>>> heard of Promise Theory?)  http://www.cfengine.org/
>>
>> I know a little about cfengine, but I've never heard of CFengine being
>> used to change root passwords on a machine, let alone any mechanism to
>> issue the root password to users as needed and audit it.
>>
>> if I am wrong and cfengine has this sort of capability, please point me at
>> it, but my understanding is taht cfengine is for building and maintaining
>> system configs and software.
>>
>> David Lang
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