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On 08/23/2010 03:50 PM, Joe McDonagh wrote:
> On 08/22/2010 10:17 PM, Luke S Crawford wrote:
>> Joe McDonagh<[email protected]>  writes:
>>
>>> I don't really see what the point of hiring a networking guy is if you
>>> plan on kicking up your networking skills?
>>>
>>> It seems like you should just hire a guy who knows networking better
>>> than you and invest in upping your skills in other areas, maybe 
>>> management.
>> Have you ever been managed by someone who is completely non-technical?
>> Have you ever tried to hire and manage someone whos skillset is 
>> completely
>> outside of your own?
>>
>> I mean, sure, if you are management, managing people who know more than
>> you do is your job.    However, if you don't know /anything/ about what
>> they are doing, you are relying on blind trust.  I mean, I need an
>> accountant, right?  Of course, I am going to get an accountant who
>> knows more than I do about accounting.  But, I am in a /much/ better
>> position if I know a little bit about accounting than if I know nothing;
>> really, the more I know, the better chance I will be able to identify
>> the right accountant to hire, and the better chance I'll be able to get
>> that accountant to do what I want.
>>
>> Now, of course, if I'm managing a hosting company, I probably don't
>> want to spend a lot of time learning accounting.  I'm probably better 
>> off
>> relying on trust and references, etc... than primarily relying on
>> learning accounting myself.  (I probably want to do that some, though.)
>> But, if my job was to manage accountants? then I'd probably be best off
>> spending a whole lot of time learning accounting.)
>>
>> I know it is often said that if the people who work for you aren't 
>> better
>> than you are, you aren't doing your job (as a manager)  and certainly,
>> for the generalized manager who manages several types of employees, 
>> this is
>> the case.   But really, the more you know about a particular specialty,
>> the better people you will be able to get.   This is /especially/ 
>> important
>> when managing a more focused group.  If your job is primarily to manage
>> SysAdmins, you probably should be an expert SysAdmin... and in that 
>> case,
>> sometimes it makes sense to hire less experienced people and train.
>> My personal standard for hiring sysadmins is not "are they better 
>> than I am"
>> because I can't afford those people.  My standards is "Is there a chance
>> they will be better than I am in at least one category within X months,
>> if I train them?"
>>
>> So, i guess the question is "how central is managing network admins
>> to your job"  -  If that's all you do, really, you should spend a lot
>> of effort learning their craft.   it will help a lot.   If managing
>> network folk is for you like managing accountants is for me, something
>> that is important but not central to your job, you probably want to put
>> less effort into learning networking, but still, knowing the basics
>> will help you a lot.
>>
> An assumption I have is that if you are a Systems Administrator you 
> already have a basic understanding of networking. I would not consider 
> myself a master of networking or a 'network guy', but I sure do know 
> enough to make sure some basic things work.
>

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Joe McDonagh
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