IMO any extra $ we have from membership dues should go to support the space's future.
I see the order as... - Immediate NEEDS (paying this months bills, Insurance, rent, Electric/utilities, Fixes to create a safe environment) / This is fairly easy to calculate. - Future needs (a nest egg to support our needs in unfortunate circumstances) (ie: we loose a significant number of paying members $, the become required to cease operation for a period of time due to legal reasons) / This is much harder to calculate being that we have to decide how much of a safety net to create. I have seen some non-profits decide on 12x or more the immediate needs in a month. Giving them a full year of cushion and able to pay off all liabilities if decided they needed to close up shop. Calculating for larger future needs is a must. After taking care of those 2 needs, membership can decide how to appropriate the rest of the funds. This may mean using them for... - Capitol Improvements: (Membership body says a kiln/2nd printer/fridge/awesome sauce device/new paint) would be excellent and it is found to be doable after meeting first 2 uses of $ - Marketing & Membership Events. Makerfest, Squarest, Banners and giveaways - Membership Appreciation (space giving, pizza, soda/beer stocking, etc) - Replenishing our consumables (PLA, drill bits, Papertowls, Toilet paper, welding gas and wire, oil for lathe, saw-blades, taps, trash-bags, etc) - Giving to other spaces (seed $, tools, consumables) Alot of talk has been given about our "mission". But the issue is IF we don't meet our needs (either by membership funding or donations) then the space will not be solvent and will have to face closure and dissolution of assets. <insert sad panda> This is why a proper donation policy is a need. If a donation of a case of Toilet Paper walked out the door it would be not excellent. In the same light if equipment was donated and it walked out the door it would be not excellent. On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Torrie Fischer <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>wrote: > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 05:59:34 Andrew Buczko wrote: > > " It would be nice to if Synhak could sell the processor out of the water > > damaged IBM (provided it works) for $30, BAM! Thats a new roll of > filament > > for the 3D printer" > > > > Ok, but you will be working for free (just keep that in perspective), > also > > I think a roll of filament is $45, The supplies for SYNHAK are supposed > to > > come from the membership fees. Well, the member ship fees > > should sustain the space and all it's expenses. hehe "should", Yes > > members are pulling cash out of their own pockets to help sustain the > space > > until it really gets off it's feet. > > Eh, not really. We haven't figured out what to do with our extra money > beyond > monthly expenses. That is changing soon though... > > In general, I've just asked people to kick back a few bucks or something > for > any filament they've used on the printer. I might be wrong, but I think I'm > the largest consumer of PLA for the prusa. > > > > > Selling excess stuff from the space is a great idea I just don't want it > to > > become a second job for those doing it. > > > > Everyone should meet up at the space, we can go over ways of selling and > > selling tips, plus we can work with the donations policy (if it's ready > by > > then). There is defiantly allot of experience to go around. I'm sure we > can > > find a selling solution thats easy > > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Joshua Csepegi > <joshcsep...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Ok I will wait > > > > > > On Dec 11, 2013 2:58 PM, "Steve Radonich IV" <nesfr...@outlook.com> > wrote: > > >> Some of them meet those specs. I want to pick one up for use but have > > >> > > >> been holding off until so!e consensus is formed about what to do with > > >> them > > >> > > >> --- Original Message --- > > >> > > >> From: "Joshua Csepegi" <joshcsep...@gmail.com> > > >> Sent: December 11, 2013 2:53 PM > > >> To: "SYN/HAK discussion list" <discuss@synhak.org> > > >> Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2013-12-10 > > >> > > >> I'm looking to make a media server something i may be able to ftp > into > > >> > > >> to store some videos of other Mechanical proJects I'm worKing on. > like a > > >> how to server. > > >> > > >> I need a pc laptop or otherwise that is 2ghz dual core or core duo i > > >> have a 2.5 sata hdd . These laptops i have been hearing so much about > do > > >> they meet these specs? > > >> > > >> Sorry if this it's the wrong place just responding to e mail > > >> > > >> On Dec 11, 2013 1:57 PM, "Omar Rassi" <omar.ra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >Having one or two people have to vote on what to do with donations... > > >> > > > >> I wouldn't call it a vote, its more of a sorting task than a decision > > >> > > >> task. > > >> > > >> For example, someone donates a broken welder. Devin pokes at it with > a > > >> > > >> stick until he magically finds that the piece to fix the other broken > > >> welder we've had. Welder gets fixed, the donated piece is then placed > > >> back > > >> in the donations pile. Result is: Welder access is restored to > everyone > > >> (who has gone through proper safety training) and the broken donated > > >> piece > > >> is still available to those who want to use it in a project. It > arrived > > >> broken, was recycled to repair the infrastructure, its still broken > and > > >> now > > >> available to anyone that can hack it. A bunch of 4 year old cisco > > >> switches > > >> arrives, Craig and Chris go through them, half are working. Synhak > Inc. > > >> only needs one to complete the networking infrastructure for the PBX > > >> project, another is kept as a spare, the rest are placed back in the > hack > > >> pile. One gets fixed and then is placed on craigslist for sale to fund > > >> replacements for the consumables used to make a new workbench in > someone > > >> else's project. There's a big picture here that can be circular. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:43 AM, alex kot <alexk...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> I agree with this though we would need more maintainers. Having one > or > > >> > > >> two people have to vote on what to do with donations is kind of > limited. > > >> > > >> In all honesty when something gets dropped off we should take a > picture > > >> of > > >> > > >> it and email it to memb...@synhak.org to discuss what to do with it. > We > > >> should get a proposal together for the next meeting. > > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:30 AM, Justin Herman < > > >> > > >> just...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I 2nd the idea Omar has presented. It seems fair and allows the > space > > >> > > >> to meet its needs so it can complete its mission. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Omar Rassi <omar.ra...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > >> I couldn't be at the meeting due to a school event with my daughter, > my > > >> > > >> thoughts on a donation process: > > >> A quick self-help form for donations should be filled out when > dropping > > >> > > >> off materials. It should ask things like > > >> > > >> * Would you like a receipt for tax purposes? > > >> > > >> ** If yes, send email to treasurer/secretary/appropriate maintainer > with > > >> contact info > > >> > > >> * Is there an intended purpose for this donation or is it a free for > > >> > > >> all? > > >> > > >> * Would you like more info about Synhak and what we do? > > >> > > >> * *Legal Disclaimer about what donating means, i.e. you lose property > > >> > > >> rights to the materials donated, it becomes property of Synhak Inc. or > > >> public domain. It may be reduced reused recycled blown up for laughs, > > >> etc."*>> > > >> *IF* the donation is being given specifically to Synhak Inc. then it > > >> > > >> should be off-limits to everyone (member and non-member alike) for a > > >> finite > > >> reasonable period of time, (48 hours? 1 Week?) until the appropriate > > >> maintainer (i.e. Devin for workshop related materials, Alex or Craig > for > > >> computers, Chris or Craig for server/networking) can look at it and > > >> determine if its salvageable, can be integrated in the infrastructure > > >> available to everyone, or if there is just too much excess of that > type > > >> be > > >> sold to help close gaps in the budget. Once the time period elapses or > > >> the > > >> maintainer has sorted through the donation, its released for everyone > > >> (member and non-member alike). If we just leave everything that makes > its > > >> way to space in an open bin, it will quickly become a free for all mad > > >> dash > > >> to see who can get to it first. > > >> > > >> This doesn't require a change in powers (the maintainer is doing what > > >> > > >> they said they would do, maintain), its a fair process that doesn't > > >> single > > >> any one group out. It addresses the needs of both the infrastructure > and > > >> the general public. Too many times I've seen people pull money out > their > > >> own pockets to pay for heating fuel at the space, a trunk line for the > > >> PBX > > >> system, consumable materials, etc. There is enough stuff that makes > its > > >> way > > >> to Synhak now that we can both get raw material for projects and give > > >> Synhak Inc. extra petty cash to use things that benefit everybody. It > > >> would > > >> be nice to if Synhak could sell the processor out of the water damaged > > >> IBM > > >> (provided it works) for $30, BAM! Thats a new roll of filament for > the 3D > > >> printer, or take half of the working notebooks and BAM! $300 for > heating > > >> fuel, wood, fixing the welder, PBX trunk line or a used managed > switch so > > >> we can create VLANs, half of the remaining can replace old > infrastructure > > >> like the 12 year old computers still chugging along trying to keep > up, or > > >> the 7 year old 3D printer computer trying to keep up with 3D slicing > and > > >> design. Things that benefit everyone. Or maybe, just maybe, put that > into > > >> a > > >> moving fund for getting into a larger space like we've been talking > about > > >> doing. Space is cluttered and we need money for a bigger place? Why > not > > >> craigslist some stuff instead of junking it away! I wanted to do > that, I > > >> was trying to make that happen for us as part of the do-acracy, it > seems > > >> as > > >> though I just ended up pissing off everyone around me with good > > >> intentions. > > >> Those are my two cents, I don't really care if anyone reads this or > not > > >> or > > >> takes it seriously. You guys know where to find me if I'm needed. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Phong <ph...@synhak.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> Howdy, hakkers! > > >> > > >> I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2013-12-10 and that the > minutes > > >> are posted. They are visible on the web at > > >> https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-12-10. I've also included them > in > > >> this mail for reading at your leisure: > > >> > > >> {{Infobox_meeting > > >> > > >> |time=7PM > > >> |date=2013-12-10 > > >> |venue=21 West North > > >> |next=Meetings/2013-12-17 > > >> |previous=Meetings/2013-12-3 > > >> > > >> }} > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> = Agenda = > > >> > > >> * '''Note Taker:''' Steve R. > > >> * '''Moderator:''' Devin Wolfe > > >> > > >> == Introduction and Names == > > >> > > >> * Mike - Tech support > > >> * Lee - Got EE from UofA > > >> * Becca - Makes cakes > > >> * Jimmy - Not a member, brother and dad told him about SYNHAK > > >> * Garrett - make steam punk stuff > > >> * Philip - Starting second project, a rear wheel bike rack > > >> * Andy - Mine bitcoins > > >> * Craig - Make phones > > >> * Torrie - Start selling robots > > >> * Steve - taking notes > > >> * Devin - build toy boxes/bench combo > > >> > > >> > > >> == Announcements == > > >> > > >> > > >> * Andy - Made a new fundraising box > > >> ** Devin - Add labels for sepcific donations > > >> > > >> * Torrie - Longest time talking about making robots, talked to some ** > > >> people at office space co-working about selling 3 RGB LED's if > > >> ** enough were made for ambient lighting in architecture > > >> ** Mike - Self contained? Torrie - No, requires power supply > > >> > > >> * Andy bought tables, and sewing room has a nice table, Torrie added > ** > > >> adhesive tape measure > > >> > > >> * Devin - 1000' CAT5e cable, and a bunch of shrink tubing > > >> > > >> * Lee - this summer purchade a nice miller tig welder, willing to put > ** > > >> on a class, but need to purchase own consumables. Aluminum is not ** > hard > > >> to learn if never done before > > >> > > >> * Philip - May have access to 10 -14 fully functioning Desktop ** > > >> computers with keyboards and mouse, with Windows XP 32bit. If ** > SYNHAK > > >> can > > >> use them we get first shot otherwise will be donated to ** other > > >> non-profits, Dell or HP. Devin/Torrie - Specs will be a ** deciding > > >> factor. > > >> Philip - get back when more info is avaliable, > > >> ** though have legitimate COA for Windows XP 32bit > > >> > > >> * Devin - for those interested in Power wheels racing series 10 ** > > >> batteries and a smoke machine in the space now > > >> > > >> * Craig - have a phone system in the works, should be up an running > in ** > > >> a week. New phone number and will be getting phones to spread ** > around > > >> the > > >> space, will have 911 which is registered to the site, ** and voice > mail. > > >> Server room redone to support it. Devin - can call ** to see how long > > >> someone will be at the space if you wanted to come ** in outside open > > >> hours > > >> if not a member. > > >> > > >> * Torrie - Added last week thursday maybe, new mailing lists for the > ** > > >> space. created them for specific channels of discussion, 3 new > > >> ** lists. > > >> * > > >> ** noc - network operations center, to discuss IT issues in the > space, ** > > >> ie problems with internet or linux system admin. > > >> * > > >> ** speaks-beureau - for speakers beureau information and discussion. > ** > > >> Whole bunch of documentation > > >> * > > >> ** frag - talking about monthly lan party and gaming discussion, more > ** > > >> social > > >> * > > >> ** email noc to add mailing lists, and someone will get to it, and it > ** > > >> is updated on the wiki page > > >> > > >> * Devin - starting a collection of tools that are surplus to give to > ** > > >> CANHAX or hartville hackerspace. If anyone has any extra tools to ** > > >> donate > > >> please do, to help them get started. > > >> > > >> * Beth - Becca and Beth started an Etsy to sell products. > > >> > > >> == Membership == > > >> > > >> * Mike Griesacker > > >> **Sponsors: Omar and Devin > > >> ** Reason: "Want to learn, make stuff, and collaborate. Interests are > > >> **Arduino, Raspberry Pi, 3d printing" > > >> * Devin - favorite beer? Yuengling > > >> * Torrie - What projects do you want to work on? Make either remote ** > > >> arduino's or raspberry pi sensors to communicate via e-mail > > >> * Torrie - What can SYN/HAK do for you? Provide a forum to build and > ** > > >> develope. > > >> * Devin - What can you do for SYN/HAK? Education classes maybe, not ** > > >> sure yet > > >> * Andy - What industry do you work in? Telecomunications. Andy - Ever > ** > > >> heard of electrodata? Not sure maybe tested a meter > > >> * Garrett - was it through the NAVY? No. > > >> * Lee - Are you a serial murderer? No. > > >> * Steve - Do you like chinese food? Yes. > > >> * Lee - Are you a US Citizen? Yes. > > >> * > > >> * Has been approved for membership. YAY!! > > >> > > >> > > >> == Financial Report == > > >> * Funds in bank: $3,127.55 > > >> * Savings: $400.32 > > >> * Cash: $233.43 > > >> * Money from element 14 will soon be transfered to bank. > > >> == Proposals == > > >> > > >> > > >> * NONE > > >> > > >> == Discussion Items == > > >> > > >> > > >> * Devin - Philip brought it up. No specific donation policy. The way > ** > > >> it has been is maintainers grab it first to sort. Can always use > **more > > >> stuff. > > >> * > > >> ** Torrie - Understanding is a guest went to the pile, grabbed a > **recent > > >> donation laptop, a member grabbed it from said person and **took the > > >> laptop > > >> for SYNHAK with the intent of turning it into a **working laptop for > the > > >> space. Problem - person found it in community ** resource for personal > > >> project. Concept of things in pile have ** priority for SYNHAK. > > >> ** If you see something in the pile it should be used for anything and > > >> **by anyone member or not. > > >> * > > >> * Devin - differs, if donated to SYNHAK, should go to SYNHAK first to > ** > > >> improve the space. Was just laid there temporarily, no problem with ** > > >> giving things away. > > >> * > > >> * Becca - Is there a way to keep track of donations for specific ** > > >> reasons. Devin - Tape and Sharpie Label. > > >> * Lee - Solution maybe? It has to be earmarked. Devin - putting dates > ** > > >> on junk pile with a week or 2 to stay. Junk junk goes out, good ** > junk > > >> stays here. Junk outside is fair game to blow up if desired. ** > Inside > > >> junk is to be used if possbile before destruction. > > >> * > > >> * Lee - philip has donations for specific reasons, and they should be > ** > > >> marked and used as such. Before they're dropped off ask what is ** ** > > >> desired for donations, and be honored. > > >> * > > >> * Torrie - 3 classifications for junk pile > > >> ** 1 - Crappy junk pile, technology recycling. > > >> ** 2 - Hackable objects > > >> ** First 2 piles should be fair game for everybody, and first come ** > ** > > >> first serve. > > >> * > > >> ** 3 - Donations that show up specifically for SYNHAK, and propery of > > >> **SYNHAK. > > >> * > > >> * Devin - If you don't ask for receipt when donating then you're out > ** > > >> of luck in tax deductions. > > >> * Torrie - Have a checkbox for " I'm ok with this being hacked!" For > ** > > >> $500 or less person values it themselves, if over champion > > >> ** appraises it up to $5000 then it has to be appraised. > > >> * > > >> * Becca - Does every donation need to fill out the donation form? No. > > >> * > > >> * Philip - official resolution for initial problem that brought up > > >> ** this issue? Between the people involved to talk it out since there > ** > > >> is no official policy as of this moment. Torrie- if mediation is > > >> ** needed just let someone know. Philip - Asking Torrie to mediate. > > >> * > > >> * Andy - Mark items that aren't wanted on the proposal? Devin- > Problem ** > > >> is somethings just come in and can't be helped at the moment. > > >> * > > >> * Devin - possibility to deny donations, if there is a reason to do ** > > >> such. > > >> * > > >> * Mark items upon arrival so there is less confusion. > > >> * > > >> * David - Take a photograph of items upon donations of worth, and tag > ** > > >> onto donation form. > > >> * > > >> * Mike - If a non-member wants something why no propose at a meeting > ** > > >> what it is intended for. Steve - Problem is that members don't get ** > > >> special benefits with materials so it goes against our goals. > > >> * > > >> * Becca - With the processing and looking at an item, if it is only 1 > ** > > >> person there to decide, can there be a time limit to have others ** > look > > >> at > > >> it, maybe 48 hours? Yes, needs more discussion. Torrie - ** disagrees > > >> with > > >> this process. Rename junk pile to HACK Pile, since ** junk has a > negative > > >> feel to it. Though said change was already ** done. > > >> * > > >> * Beth - Stuff was put in there last monday, going through it > tonight, ** > > >> has the maintainer of the pile. Torrie - idea of being a maintainer ** > > >> doesn't give you absolute right and power over whatever is being ** > > >> maintained, just the goto person for questions and information. If ** > > >> stuff > > >> is broken or needs maintanance of items. Beth - If people ** want to > > >> throw > > >> out junk over a week old please feel free to do so. > > >> * > > >> * Torrie - Sunday chris and Torrie met to discuss bylaws and problems > and > > >> came up with some bylaw ammendments. > > >> ** 1 - Defining a conflict of interest > > >> ** 2 - Clause about legal lawsuits, lawyer needs to be called > > >> ** 3 - Ammendment at any given point all the champions are president > > >> ** 4 - Ammendment that any rights not exclusively given to the ** > > >> organization or members is retained by members. > > >> > > >> = End of Meeting = > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > Discuss@synhak.org > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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