I agree with this though we would need more maintainers. Having one or two
people have to vote on what to do with donations is kind of limited. In all
honesty when something gets dropped off we should take a picture of it and
email it to memb...@synhak.org to discuss what to do with it. We should get a
proposal together for the next meeting.
On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:30 AM, Justin Herman <just...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I 2nd the idea Omar has presented. It seems fair and allows the space to meet
its needs so it can complete its mission.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Omar Rassi <omar.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
I couldn't be at the meeting due to a school event with my daughter, my
thoughts on a donation process:
>
>
>A quick self-help form for donations should be filled out when dropping off
>materials. It should ask things like
>
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>* Would you like a receipt for tax purposes?
>** If yes, send email to treasurer/secretary/appropriate maintainer with
>contact info
>
>
>* Is there an intended purpose for this donation or is it a free for all?
>
>
>* Would you like more info about Synhak and what we do?
>
>
>* Legal Disclaimer about what donating means, i.e. you lose property rights to
>the materials donated, it becomes property of Synhak Inc. or public domain. It
>may be reduced reused recycled blown up for laughs, etc."
>
>
>IF the donation is being given specifically to Synhak Inc. then it should be
>off-limits to everyone (member and non-member alike) for a finite reasonable
>period of time, (48 hours? 1 Week?) until the appropriate maintainer (i.e.
>Devin for workshop related materials, Alex or Craig for computers, Chris or
>Craig for server/networking) can look at it and determine if its salvageable,
>can be integrated in the infrastructure available to everyone, or if there is
>just too much excess of that type be sold to help close gaps in the budget.
>Once the time period elapses or the maintainer has sorted through the
>donation, its released for everyone (member and non-member alike). If we just
>leave everything that makes its way to space in an open bin, it will quickly
>become a free for all mad dash to see who can get to it first.
>
>
>This doesn't require a change in powers (the maintainer is doing what they
>said they would do, maintain), its a fair process that doesn't single any one
>group out. It addresses the needs of both the infrastructure and the general
>public. Too many times I've seen people pull money out their own pockets to
>pay for heating fuel at the space, a trunk line for the PBX system, consumable
>materials, etc. There is enough stuff that makes its way to Synhak now that we
>can both get raw material for projects and give Synhak Inc. extra petty cash
>to use things that benefit everybody. It would be nice to if Synhak could sell
>the processor out of the water damaged IBM (provided it works) for $30, BAM!
>Thats a new roll of filament for the 3D printer, or take half of the working
>notebooks and BAM! $300 for heating fuel, wood, fixing the welder, PBX trunk
>line or a used managed switch so we can create VLANs, half of the remaining
>can replace old infrastructure like the
12 year old computers still chugging along trying to keep up, or the 7 year
old 3D printer computer trying to keep up with 3D slicing and design. Things
that benefit everyone. Or maybe, just maybe, put that into a moving fund for
getting into a larger space like we've been talking about doing. Space is
cluttered and we need money for a bigger place? Why not craigslist some stuff
instead of junking it away! I wanted to do that, I was trying to make that
happen for us as part of the do-acracy, it seems as though I just ended up
pissing off everyone around me with good intentions. Those are my two cents, I
don't really care if anyone reads this or not or takes it seriously. You guys
know where to find me if I'm needed.
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>On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Phong <ph...@synhak.org> wrote:
>
>Howdy, hakkers!
>>
>>I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2013-12-10 and that the minutes are
>>posted. They are visible on the web at
>>https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-12-10. I've also included them in this
>>mail for reading at your leisure:
>>
>>{{Infobox_meeting
>>|time=7PM
>>|date=2013-12-10
>>|venue=21 West North
>>|next=Meetings/2013-12-17
>>|previous=Meetings/2013-12-3
>>}}
>>
>>
>>
>>= Agenda =
>>
>>* '''Note Taker:''' Steve R.
>>* '''Moderator:''' Devin Wolfe
>>
>>== Introduction and Names ==
>>
>>* Mike - Tech support
>>* Lee - Got EE from UofA
>>* Becca - Makes cakes
>>* Jimmy - Not a member, brother and dad told him about SYNHAK
>>* Garrett - make steam punk stuff
>>* Philip - Starting second project, a rear wheel bike rack
>>* Andy - Mine bitcoins
>>* Craig - Make phones
>>* Torrie - Start selling robots
>>* Steve - taking notes
>>* Devin - build toy boxes/bench combo
>>
>>
>>== Announcements ==
>>
>>
>>* Andy - Made a new fundraising box
>>** Devin - Add labels for sepcific donations
>>
>>* Torrie - Longest time talking about making robots, talked to some ** people
>>at office space co-working about selling 3 RGB LED's if
>>** enough were made for ambient lighting in architecture
>>** Mike - Self contained? Torrie - No, requires power supply
>>
>>* Andy bought tables, and sewing room has a nice table, Torrie added **
>>adhesive tape measure
>>
>>* Devin - 1000' CAT5e cable, and a bunch of shrink tubing
>>
>>* Lee - this summer purchade a nice miller tig welder, willing to put ** on a
>>class, but need to purchase own consumables. Aluminum is not ** hard to learn
>>if never done before
>>
>>* Philip - May have access to 10 -14 fully functioning Desktop ** computers
>>with keyboards and mouse, with Windows XP 32bit. If ** SYNHAK can use them we
>>get first shot otherwise will be donated to ** other non-profits, Dell or HP.
>>Devin/Torrie - Specs will be a ** deciding factor. Philip - get back when
>>more info is avaliable,
>>** though have legitimate COA for Windows XP 32bit
>>
>>* Devin - for those interested in Power wheels racing series 10 ** batteries
>>and a smoke machine in the space now
>>
>>* Craig - have a phone system in the works, should be up an running in ** a
>>week. New phone number and will be getting phones to spread ** around the
>>space, will have 911 which is registered to the site, ** and voice mail.
>>Server room redone to support it. Devin - can call ** to see how long someone
>>will be at the space if you wanted to come ** in outside open hours if not a
>>member.
>>
>>* Torrie - Added last week thursday maybe, new mailing lists for the **
>>space. created them for specific channels of discussion, 3 new
>>** lists.
>>*
>>** noc - network operations center, to discuss IT issues in the space, ** ie
>>problems with internet or linux system admin.
>>*
>>** speaks-beureau - for speakers beureau information and discussion. ** Whole
>>bunch of documentation
>>*
>>** frag - talking about monthly lan party and gaming discussion, more **
>>social
>>*
>>** email noc to add mailing lists, and someone will get to it, and it ** is
>>updated on the wiki page
>>
>>* Devin - starting a collection of tools that are surplus to give to **
>>CANHAX or hartville hackerspace. If anyone has any extra tools to ** donate
>>please do, to help them get started.
>>
>>* Beth - Becca and Beth started an Etsy to sell products.
>>
>>== Membership ==
>>
>>* Mike Griesacker
>>**Sponsors: Omar and Devin
>>** Reason: "Want to learn, make stuff, and collaborate. Interests are
>>**Arduino, Raspberry Pi, 3d printing"
>>* Devin - favorite beer? Yuengling
>>* Torrie - What projects do you want to work on? Make either remote **
>>arduino's or raspberry pi sensors to communicate via e-mail
>>* Torrie - What can SYN/HAK do for you? Provide a forum to build and **
>>develope.
>>* Devin - What can you do for SYN/HAK? Education classes maybe, not ** sure
>>yet
>>* Andy - What industry do you work in? Telecomunications. Andy - Ever **
>>heard of electrodata? Not sure maybe tested a meter
>>* Garrett - was it through the NAVY? No.
>>* Lee - Are you a serial murderer? No.
>>* Steve - Do you like chinese food? Yes.
>>* Lee - Are you a US Citizen? Yes.
>>*
>>* Has been approved for membership. YAY!!
>>
>>
>>== Financial Report ==
>>* Funds in bank: $3,127.55
>>* Savings: $400.32
>>* Cash: $233.43
>>* Money from element 14 will soon be transfered to bank.
>>== Proposals ==
>>
>>
>>* NONE
>>
>>== Discussion Items ==
>>
>>
>>* Devin - Philip brought it up. No specific donation policy. The way ** it
>>has been is maintainers grab it first to sort. Can always use **more stuff.
>>*
>>** Torrie - Understanding is a guest went to the pile, grabbed a **recent
>>donation laptop, a member grabbed it from said person and **took the laptop
>>for SYNHAK with the intent of turning it into a **working laptop for the
>>space. Problem - person found it in community ** resource for personal
>>project. Concept of things in pile have ** priority for SYNHAK.
>>** If you see something in the pile it should be used for anything and **by
>>anyone member or not.
>>*
>>* Devin - differs, if donated to SYNHAK, should go to SYNHAK first to **
>>improve the space. Was just laid there temporarily, no problem with ** giving
>>things away.
>>*
>>* Becca - Is there a way to keep track of donations for specific ** reasons.
>>Devin - Tape and Sharpie Label.
>>* Lee - Solution maybe? It has to be earmarked. Devin - putting dates ** on
>>junk pile with a week or 2 to stay. Junk junk goes out, good ** junk stays
>>here. Junk outside is fair game to blow up if desired. ** Inside junk is to
>>be used if possbile before destruction.
>>*
>>* Lee - philip has donations for specific reasons, and they should be **
>>marked and used as such. Before they're dropped off ask what is ** ** desired
>>for donations, and be honored.
>>*
>>* Torrie - 3 classifications for junk pile
>>** 1 - Crappy junk pile, technology recycling.
>>** 2 - Hackable objects
>>** First 2 piles should be fair game for everybody, and first come ** **
>>first serve.
>>*
>>** 3 - Donations that show up specifically for SYNHAK, and propery of
>>**SYNHAK.
>>*
>>* Devin - If you don't ask for receipt when donating then you're out ** of
>>luck in tax deductions.
>>* Torrie - Have a checkbox for " I'm ok with this being hacked!" For ** $500
>>or less person values it themselves, if over champion
>>** appraises it up to $5000 then it has to be appraised.
>>*
>>* Becca - Does every donation need to fill out the donation form? No.
>>*
>>* Philip - official resolution for initial problem that brought up
>>** this issue? Between the people involved to talk it out since there ** is
>>no official policy as of this moment. Torrie- if mediation is
>>** needed just let someone know. Philip - Asking Torrie to mediate.
>>*
>>* Andy - Mark items that aren't wanted on the proposal? Devin- Problem ** is
>>somethings just come in and can't be helped at the moment.
>>*
>>* Devin - possibility to deny donations, if there is a reason to do ** such.
>>*
>>* Mark items upon arrival so there is less confusion.
>>*
>>* David - Take a photograph of items upon donations of worth, and tag ** onto
>>donation form.
>>*
>>* Mike - If a non-member wants something why no propose at a meeting ** what
>>it is intended for. Steve - Problem is that members don't get ** special
>>benefits with materials so it goes against our goals.
>>*
>>* Becca - With the processing and looking at an item, if it is only 1 **
>>person there to decide, can there be a time limit to have others ** look at
>>it, maybe 48 hours? Yes, needs more discussion. Torrie - ** disagrees with
>>this process. Rename junk pile to HACK Pile, since ** junk has a negative
>>feel to it. Though said change was already ** done.
>>*
>>* Beth - Stuff was put in there last monday, going through it tonight, ** has
>>the maintainer of the pile. Torrie - idea of being a maintainer ** doesn't
>>give you absolute right and power over whatever is being ** maintained, just
>>the goto person for questions and information. If ** stuff is broken or needs
>>maintanance of items. Beth - If people ** want to throw out junk over a week
>>old please feel free to do so.
>>*
>>* Torrie - Sunday chris and Torrie met to discuss bylaws and problems and
>>came up with some bylaw ammendments.
>>** 1 - Defining a conflict of interest
>>** 2 - Clause about legal lawsuits, lawyer needs to be called
>>** 3 - Ammendment at any given point all the champions are president
>>** 4 - Ammendment that any rights not exclusively given to the **
>>organization or members is retained by members.
>>
>>= End of Meeting =
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