As a caveat, my earlier statement that we need to keep our members in mind first was not excellent and I sincerely apologize for my confusion.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Omar Rassi <omar.ra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Any process proposed should include the line, "As per Synhak Inc's Mission > Statement, no donation shall be earmarked 'member use only' as this would > not be excellent to non-members." > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:43 AM, alex kot <alexk...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I agree with this though we would need more maintainers. Having one or >> two people have to vote on what to do with donations is kind of limited. >> In all honesty when something gets dropped off we should take a picture of >> it and email it to memb...@synhak.org to discuss what to do with it. We >> should get a proposal together for the next meeting. >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:30 AM, Justin Herman < >> just...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I 2nd the idea Omar has presented. It seems fair and allows the space >> to meet its needs so it can complete its mission. >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Omar Rassi <omar.ra...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I couldn't be at the meeting due to a school event with my daughter, my >> thoughts on a donation process: >> >> A quick self-help form for donations should be filled out when dropping >> off materials. It should ask things like >> >> * Would you like a receipt for tax purposes? >> ** If yes, send email to treasurer/secretary/appropriate maintainer with >> contact info >> >> * Is there an intended purpose for this donation or is it a free for all? >> >> * Would you like more info about Synhak and what we do? >> >> * *Legal Disclaimer about what donating means, i.e. you lose property >> rights to the materials donated, it becomes property of Synhak Inc. or >> public domain. It may be reduced reused recycled blown up for laughs, etc."* >> >> *IF* the donation is being given specifically to Synhak Inc. then it >> should be off-limits to everyone (member and non-member alike) for a finite >> reasonable period of time, (48 hours? 1 Week?) until the appropriate >> maintainer (i.e. Devin for workshop related materials, Alex or Craig for >> computers, Chris or Craig for server/networking) can look at it and >> determine if its salvageable, can be integrated in the infrastructure >> available to everyone, or if there is just too much excess of that type be >> sold to help close gaps in the budget. Once the time period elapses or the >> maintainer has sorted through the donation, its released for everyone >> (member and non-member alike). If we just leave everything that makes its >> way to space in an open bin, it will quickly become a free for all mad dash >> to see who can get to it first. >> >> This doesn't require a change in powers (the maintainer is doing what >> they said they would do, maintain), its a fair process that doesn't single >> any one group out. It addresses the needs of both the infrastructure and >> the general public. Too many times I've seen people pull money out their >> own pockets to pay for heating fuel at the space, a trunk line for the PBX >> system, consumable materials, etc. There is enough stuff that makes its way >> to Synhak now that we can both get raw material for projects and give >> Synhak Inc. extra petty cash to use things that benefit everybody. It would >> be nice to if Synhak could sell the processor out of the water damaged IBM >> (provided it works) for $30, BAM! Thats a new roll of filament for the 3D >> printer, or take half of the working notebooks and BAM! $300 for heating >> fuel, wood, fixing the welder, PBX trunk line or a used managed switch so >> we can create VLANs, half of the remaining can replace old infrastructure >> like the 12 year old computers still chugging along trying to keep up, or >> the 7 year old 3D printer computer trying to keep up with 3D slicing and >> design. Things that benefit everyone. Or maybe, just maybe, put that into a >> moving fund for getting into a larger space like we've been talking about >> doing. Space is cluttered and we need money for a bigger place? Why not >> craigslist some stuff instead of junking it away! I wanted to do that, I >> was trying to make that happen for us as part of the do-acracy, it seems as >> though I just ended up pissing off everyone around me with good intentions. >> Those are my two cents, I don't really care if anyone reads this or not or >> takes it seriously. You guys know where to find me if I'm needed. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Phong <ph...@synhak.org> wrote: >> >> Howdy, hakkers! >> >> I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2013-12-10 and that the minutes >> are posted. They are visible on the web at >> https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-12-10. I've also included them in >> this mail for reading at your leisure: >> >> {{Infobox_meeting >> |time=7PM >> |date=2013-12-10 >> |venue=21 West North >> |next=Meetings/2013-12-17 >> |previous=Meetings/2013-12-3 >> }} >> >> >> >> = Agenda = >> >> * '''Note Taker:''' Steve R. >> * '''Moderator:''' Devin Wolfe >> >> == Introduction and Names == >> >> * Mike - Tech support >> * Lee - Got EE from UofA >> * Becca - Makes cakes >> * Jimmy - Not a member, brother and dad told him about SYNHAK >> * Garrett - make steam punk stuff >> * Philip - Starting second project, a rear wheel bike rack >> * Andy - Mine bitcoins >> * Craig - Make phones >> * Torrie - Start selling robots >> * Steve - taking notes >> * Devin - build toy boxes/bench combo >> >> >> == Announcements == >> >> >> * Andy - Made a new fundraising box >> ** Devin - Add labels for sepcific donations >> >> * Torrie - Longest time talking about making robots, talked to some ** >> people at office space co-working about selling 3 RGB LED's if >> ** enough were made for ambient lighting in architecture >> ** Mike - Self contained? Torrie - No, requires power supply >> >> * Andy bought tables, and sewing room has a nice table, Torrie added ** >> adhesive tape measure >> >> * Devin - 1000' CAT5e cable, and a bunch of shrink tubing >> >> * Lee - this summer purchade a nice miller tig welder, willing to put ** >> on a class, but need to purchase own consumables. Aluminum is not ** hard >> to learn if never done before >> >> * Philip - May have access to 10 -14 fully functioning Desktop ** >> computers with keyboards and mouse, with Windows XP 32bit. If ** SYNHAK can >> use them we get first shot otherwise will be donated to ** other >> non-profits, Dell or HP. Devin/Torrie - Specs will be a ** deciding factor. >> Philip - get back when more info is avaliable, >> ** though have legitimate COA for Windows XP 32bit >> >> * Devin - for those interested in Power wheels racing series 10 ** >> batteries and a smoke machine in the space now >> >> * Craig - have a phone system in the works, should be up an running in ** >> a week. New phone number and will be getting phones to spread ** around the >> space, will have 911 which is registered to the site, ** and voice mail. >> Server room redone to support it. Devin - can call ** to see how long >> someone will be at the space if you wanted to come ** in outside open hours >> if not a member. >> >> * Torrie - Added last week thursday maybe, new mailing lists for the ** >> space. created them for specific channels of discussion, 3 new >> ** lists. >> * >> ** noc - network operations center, to discuss IT issues in the space, ** >> ie problems with internet or linux system admin. >> * >> ** speaks-beureau - for speakers beureau information and discussion. ** >> Whole bunch of documentation >> * >> ** frag - talking about monthly lan party and gaming discussion, more ** >> social >> * >> ** email noc to add mailing lists, and someone will get to it, and it ** >> is updated on the wiki page >> >> * Devin - starting a collection of tools that are surplus to give to ** >> CANHAX or hartville hackerspace. If anyone has any extra tools to ** donate >> please do, to help them get started. >> >> * Beth - Becca and Beth started an Etsy to sell products. >> >> == Membership == >> >> * Mike Griesacker >> **Sponsors: Omar and Devin >> ** Reason: "Want to learn, make stuff, and collaborate. Interests are >> **Arduino, Raspberry Pi, 3d printing" >> * Devin - favorite beer? Yuengling >> * Torrie - What projects do you want to work on? Make either remote ** >> arduino's or raspberry pi sensors to communicate via e-mail >> * Torrie - What can SYN/HAK do for you? Provide a forum to build and ** >> develope. >> * Devin - What can you do for SYN/HAK? Education classes maybe, not ** >> sure yet >> * Andy - What industry do you work in? Telecomunications. Andy - Ever ** >> heard of electrodata? Not sure maybe tested a meter >> * Garrett - was it through the NAVY? No. >> * Lee - Are you a serial murderer? No. >> * Steve - Do you like chinese food? Yes. >> * Lee - Are you a US Citizen? Yes. >> * >> * Has been approved for membership. YAY!! >> >> >> == Financial Report == >> * Funds in bank: $3,127.55 >> * Savings: $400.32 >> * Cash: $233.43 >> * Money from element 14 will soon be transfered to bank. >> == Proposals == >> >> >> * NONE >> >> == Discussion Items == >> >> >> * Devin - Philip brought it up. No specific donation policy. The way ** >> it has been is maintainers grab it first to sort. Can always use **more >> stuff. >> * >> ** Torrie - Understanding is a guest went to the pile, grabbed a **recent >> donation laptop, a member grabbed it from said person and **took the laptop >> for SYNHAK with the intent of turning it into a **working laptop for the >> space. Problem - person found it in community ** resource for personal >> project. Concept of things in pile have ** priority for SYNHAK. >> ** If you see something in the pile it should be used for anything and >> **by anyone member or not. >> * >> * Devin - differs, if donated to SYNHAK, should go to SYNHAK first to ** >> improve the space. Was just laid there temporarily, no problem with ** >> giving things away. >> * >> * Becca - Is there a way to keep track of donations for specific ** >> reasons. Devin - Tape and Sharpie Label. >> * Lee - Solution maybe? It has to be earmarked. Devin - putting dates ** >> on junk pile with a week or 2 to stay. Junk junk goes out, good ** junk >> stays here. Junk outside is fair game to blow up if desired. ** Inside >> junk is to be used if possbile before destruction. >> * >> * Lee - philip has donations for specific reasons, and they should be ** >> marked and used as such. Before they're dropped off ask what is ** ** >> desired for donations, and be honored. >> * >> * Torrie - 3 classifications for junk pile >> ** 1 - Crappy junk pile, technology recycling. >> ** 2 - Hackable objects >> ** First 2 piles should be fair game for everybody, and first come ** ** >> first serve. >> * >> ** 3 - Donations that show up specifically for SYNHAK, and propery of >> **SYNHAK. >> * >> * Devin - If you don't ask for receipt when donating then you're out ** >> of luck in tax deductions. >> * Torrie - Have a checkbox for " I'm ok with this being hacked!" For ** >> $500 or less person values it themselves, if over champion >> ** appraises it up to $5000 then it has to be appraised. >> * >> * Becca - Does every donation need to fill out the donation form? No. >> * >> * Philip - official resolution for initial problem that brought up >> ** this issue? Between the people involved to talk it out since there ** >> is no official policy as of this moment. Torrie- if mediation is >> ** needed just let someone know. Philip - Asking Torrie to mediate. >> * >> * Andy - Mark items that aren't wanted on the proposal? Devin- Problem ** >> is somethings just come in and can't be helped at the moment. >> * >> * Devin - possibility to deny donations, if there is a reason to do ** >> such. >> * >> * Mark items upon arrival so there is less confusion. >> * >> * David - Take a photograph of items upon donations of worth, and tag ** >> onto donation form. >> * >> * Mike - If a non-member wants something why no propose at a meeting ** >> what it is intended for. Steve - Problem is that members don't get ** >> special benefits with materials so it goes against our goals. >> * >> * Becca - With the processing and looking at an item, if it is only 1 ** >> person there to decide, can there be a time limit to have others ** look at >> it, maybe 48 hours? Yes, needs more discussion. Torrie - ** disagrees with >> this process. Rename junk pile to HACK Pile, since ** junk has a negative >> feel to it. Though said change was already ** done. >> * >> * Beth - Stuff was put in there last monday, going through it tonight, ** >> has the maintainer of the pile. Torrie - idea of being a maintainer ** >> doesn't give you absolute right and power over whatever is being ** >> maintained, just the goto person for questions and information. If ** stuff >> is broken or needs maintanance of items. Beth - If people ** want to throw >> out junk over a week old please feel free to do so. >> * >> * Torrie - Sunday chris and Torrie met to discuss bylaws and problems and >> came up with some bylaw ammendments. >> ** 1 - Defining a conflict of interest >> ** 2 - Clause about legal lawsuits, lawyer needs to be called >> ** 3 - Ammendment at any given point all the champions are president >> ** 4 - Ammendment that any rights not exclusively given to the ** >> organization or members is retained by members. >> >> = End of Meeting = >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >
_______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
