I'll look for my springloaded briefcase.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Becca Salchak <blsalc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I think the 7 that have stepped up is a great group. Good representation > of our needs and membership > On Feb 9, 2014 11:57 AM, "Philip P. Patnode" <ppatn...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> FYI >> >> A casual search in the tubes using the search term "ideal committee size" >> reveals that a committee of 1 is the best, but 5 is an efficient number to >> get something done. >> >> More than five leads to excessive discussion and delayed decisions. >> >> Even numbers may result in a deadlock at voting time. >> >> I sincerely hope that the newly formed floorplan committee can meet and >> make a firm decision is under 2 hours. >> >> Start the meeting with a countdown timer on the table set for 2 hours. >> >> Assume the timer is hooked up to a briefcase full of over-stimulated >> Tribbles that it will open at the end of the countdown. >> >> With hope for some action, >> >> PPP >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Becca Salchak <blsalc...@yahoo.com>wrote: >> >>> I agree with Mike that way we can actually decide on something >>> On Feb 9, 2014 8:33 AM, "Michael Griesacker" <mgriesac...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I would like to be on the committee as well, and am available Monday >>>> evening for a meeting. I think it appropriate to have an uneven number of >>>> members, and with Andrew being #6, I could fulfill that as #7. >>>> On Feb 7, 2014 12:06 AM, "Andrew Buczko" <a4s...@dsprototyping.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will like to be on the committee. >>>>> I can be there Monday. >>>>> And my membership is in good standing. >>>>> >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM, <degerov...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I will be available monday afternoon as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Torrie Fischer <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list <discuss@synhak.org> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: >>>>>> > I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with >>>>>> > SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how >>>>>> about >>>>>> > Monday? >>>>>> >>>>>> Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more >>>>>> painting, so >>>>>> can we get a committee working by 8PM? >>>>>> >>>>>> We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all >>>>>> weekend but >>>>>> I'll have e-mail of course. >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf <mm1...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > > Right here for #5 >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, "Philip P. Patnode" <ppatn...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >> So, who is going to be #5? >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Torrie @ 1324 >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Becca @ 1407 >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Justin @ 1408 >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Devin @ 1440 >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> #5 @ ? >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Good to see that some of the members are interested and >>>>>> motivated to get >>>>>> > >> the new floorplan finalized. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com < >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> degerov...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> > >>> I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at >>>>>> 7pm at the >>>>>> > >>> space? >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> Devin. >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on >>>>>> > >>> Android<http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> * From: * Becca Salchak <blsalc...@yahoo.com>; >>>>>> > >>> * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list <discuss@synhak.org>; >>>>>> > >>> * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal >>>>>> > >>> * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> Id like to volunteer myself for the committee >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, "Torrie Fischer" < >>>>>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>> On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>> > Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the >>>>>> continuing >>>>>> > >>>> > bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land >>>>>> grabs, and >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> the >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the >>>>>> floorplan. >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> committee. >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > Yes, I am serious. >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > Following the philosophy of action as a "do'ocracy", some >>>>>> motivated >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> members >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final >>>>>> decision. >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch >>>>>> out a >>>>>> > >>>> > compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half >>>>>> hour for >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> coffee >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > and revisions. >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a >>>>>> wonderful >>>>>> > >>>> experiment >>>>>> > >>>> in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is >>>>>> starting >>>>>> > >>>> to fall >>>>>> > >>>> apart. >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along >>>>>> the very >>>>>> > >>>> same >>>>>> > >>>> lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan >>>>>> with this >>>>>> > >>>> limited set of rules: >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at >>>>>> 00:00 >>>>>> > >>>> * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan >>>>>> after the >>>>>> > >>>> floorplan is approved without majority approval from the >>>>>> committee >>>>>> > >>>> members >>>>>> > >>>> * Any committee member may declare a modification to be >>>>>> significant >>>>>> > >>>> such that >>>>>> > >>>> it is required to be approved by the committee >>>>>> > >>>> * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be >>>>>> uninstalled, >>>>>> > >>>> moved, >>>>>> > >>>> disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend >>>>>> after March >>>>>> > >>>> 3rd >>>>>> > >>>> without unaminous approval from the committee members >>>>>> > >>>> * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 >>>>>> > >>>> * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority >>>>>> approval >>>>>> > >>>> from >>>>>> > >>>> the committee members or a Membership proposal >>>>>> > >>>> * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list >>>>>> > >>>> * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the >>>>>> committee >>>>>> > >>>> membership >>>>>> > >>>> roster >>>>>> > >>>> * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to >>>>>> The >>>>>> > >>>> Membership >>>>>> > >>>> * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a >>>>>> committee >>>>>> > >>>> member >>>>>> > >>>> * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to >>>>>> the >>>>>> > >>>> committee >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to >>>>>> work from >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> and >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > start moving stuff into the designated areas. >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > The members will take it from there, knowing that a final >>>>>> floorplan >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> exists. >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just >>>>>> keep on >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> bickering >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way >>>>>> about >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> this or >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > that. >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be >>>>>> moved to >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> August 1st >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with >>>>>> each >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> other. >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>wrote: >>>>>> > >>>> > > On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>> > > > What if the EE lab and general meeting area were >>>>>> connected again >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> in an >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > > > L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we >>>>>> could fit >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> the 21 >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > > > people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a >>>>>> shrunken >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> machine shop >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > > > from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> load/unload from >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > > > the garage door including the basement & 4x8 sheets to >>>>>> the >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> machine room. >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > > > The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good >>>>>> classroom and >>>>>> > >>>> > > > something >>>>>> > >>>> > > > else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to >>>>>> get 21 >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> unpacked. >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > > 2 >>>>>> > >>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>> > > > weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. >>>>>> > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > >>>> > > > http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf >>>>>> > >>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>> > > Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> floorplans since >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > > any >>>>>> > >>>> > > such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I >>>>>> get told >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> how >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> > > wrong my >>>>>> > >>>> > > ideas are without any real logical argument. >>>>>> > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >>>> > > Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > >>>> > > Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> > >>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > >>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> > >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > >> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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