I will be available monday afternoon as well.



________________________________
 From: Torrie Fischer <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>
To: SYN/HAK discussion list <discuss@synhak.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
 

On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote:
> I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with
> SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about
> Monday?

Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more painting, so 
can we get a committee working by 8PM?

We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all weekend but 
I'll have e-mail of course.

> 
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf <mm1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Right here for #5
> > 
> > On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, "Philip P. Patnode" <ppatn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> So, who is going to be #5?
> >> 
> >> Torrie @ 1324
> >> 
> >> Becca @ 1407
> >> 
> >> Justin @ 1408
> >> 
> >> Devin @ 1440
> >> 
> >> #5 @ ?
> >> 
> >> Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get
> >> the new floorplan finalized.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com <
> >> 
> >> degerov...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the
> >>> space?
> >>> 
> >>> Devin.
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on
> >>> Android<http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>>>> 
> >>>  ------------------------------
> >>> 
> >>> * From: * Becca Salchak <blsalc...@yahoo.com>;
> >>> * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list <discuss@synhak.org>;
> >>> * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
> >>> * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM
> >>> 
> >>>   Id like to volunteer myself for the committee
> >>> 
> >>> On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>
> >>> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote:
> >>>> > Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing
> >>>> > bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and
> >>>> 
> >>>> the
> >>>> 
> >>>> > subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a
> >>>> 
> >>>> committee.
> >>>> 
> >>>> > Yes, I am serious.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > Following the philosophy of action as a "do'ocracy", some motivated
> >>>> 
> >>>> members
> >>>> 
> >>>> > should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a
> >>>> > compromise floorplan in under an hour.  Add another half hour for
> >>>> 
> >>>> coffee
> >>>> 
> >>>> > and revisions.
> >>>> 
> >>>> This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful
> >>>> experiment
> >>>> in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting
> >>>> to fall
> >>>> apart.
> >>>> 
> >>>> There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very
> >>>> same
> >>>> lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this
> >>>> limited set of rules:
> >>>> 
> >>>> * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00
> >>>> * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the
> >>>> floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee
> >>>> members
> >>>> * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant
> >>>> such that
> >>>> it is required to be approved by the committee
> >>>> * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled,
> >>>> moved,
> >>>> disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March
> >>>> 3rd
> >>>> without unaminous approval from the committee members
> >>>> * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00
> >>>> * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval
> >>>> from
> >>>> the committee members or a Membership proposal
> >>>> * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list
> >>>> * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee
> >>>> membership
> >>>> roster
> >>>> * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The
> >>>> Membership
> >>>> * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee
> >>>> member
> >>>> * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the
> >>>> committee
> >>>> 
> >>>> > After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from
> >>>> 
> >>>> and
> >>>> 
> >>>> > start moving stuff into the designated areas.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan
> >>>> 
> >>>> exists.
> >>>> 
> >>>> > If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on
> >>>> 
> >>>> bickering
> >>>> 
> >>>> > and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about
> >>>> 
> >>>> this or
> >>>> 
> >>>> > that.
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to
> >>>> 
> >>>> August 1st
> >>>> 
> >>>> > if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each
> >>>> 
> >>>> other.
> >>>> 
> >>>> > Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot...
> >>>> > 
> >>>> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer
> >>>> 
> >>>> <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>wrote:
> >>>> > > On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote:
> >>>> > > > What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again
> >>>> 
> >>>> in an
> >>>> 
> >>>> > > > L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit
> >>>> 
> >>>> the 21
> >>>> 
> >>>> > > > people we had at this weeks meeting.   Also with a shrunken
> >>>> 
> >>>> machine shop
> >>>> 
> >>>> > > > from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to
> >>>> 
> >>>> load/unload from
> >>>> 
> >>>> > > > the garage door including the basement & 4x8 sheets to the
> >>>> 
> >>>> machine room.
> >>>> 
> >>>> > > > The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and
> >>>> > > > something
> >>>> > > > else could spaciously fit in there.  I'm just trying to get 21
> >>>> 
> >>>> unpacked.
> >>>> 
> >>>> > >  2
> >>>> > >  
> >>>> > > > weeks, 2 days till the soft launch.
> >>>> > > > 
> >>>> > > > http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf
> >>>> > > 
> >>>> > > Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about
> >>>> 
> >>>> floorplans since
> >>>> 
> >>>> > > any
> >>>> > > such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told
> >>>> 
> >>>> how
> >>>> 
> >>>> > > wrong my
> >>>> > > ideas are without any real logical argument.
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