I agree with Mike that way we can actually decide on something On Feb 9, 2014 8:33 AM, "Michael Griesacker" <mgriesac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to be on the committee as well, and am available Monday > evening for a meeting. I think it appropriate to have an uneven number of > members, and with Andrew being #6, I could fulfill that as #7. > On Feb 7, 2014 12:06 AM, "Andrew Buczko" <a4s...@dsprototyping.com> wrote: > >> I will like to be on the committee. >> I can be there Monday. >> And my membership is in good standing. >> >> Andy >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM, <degerov...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> I will be available monday afternoon as well. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Torrie Fischer <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> >>> >>> *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list <discuss@synhak.org> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2014 5:09 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal >>> >>> On Thursday, February 06, 2014 16:12:00 Craig Bergdorf wrote: >>> > I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with >>> > SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about >>> > Monday? >>> >>> Monday works. Lets do Monday. I'll be there after 6 PM for more >>> painting, so >>> can we get a committee working by 8PM? >>> >>> We don't need to decide today of course. I'm busy with SparkAK all >>> weekend but >>> I'll have e-mail of course. >>> >>> > >>> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf <mm1...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > > Right here for #5 >>> > > >>> > > On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, "Philip P. Patnode" <ppatn...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >> So, who is going to be #5? >>> > >> >>> > >> Torrie @ 1324 >>> > >> >>> > >> Becca @ 1407 >>> > >> >>> > >> Justin @ 1408 >>> > >> >>> > >> Devin @ 1440 >>> > >> >>> > >> #5 @ ? >>> > >> >>> > >> Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated >>> to get >>> > >> the new floorplan finalized. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com < >>> > >> >>> > >> degerov...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> > >>> I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm >>> at the >>> > >>> space? >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Devin. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on >>> > >>> Android<http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>>>> >>> > >>> ------------------------------ >>> > >>> >>> > >>> * From: * Becca Salchak <blsalc...@yahoo.com>; >>> > >>> * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list <discuss@synhak.org>; >>> > >>> * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal >>> > >>> * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Id like to volunteer myself for the committee >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> wrote: >>> > >>>> On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: >>> > >>>> > Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the >>> continuing >>> > >>>> > bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land >>> grabs, and >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> the >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> committee. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > Yes, I am serious. >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > Following the philosophy of action as a "do'ocracy", some >>> motivated >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> members >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final >>> decision. >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out >>> a >>> > >>>> > compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour >>> for >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> coffee >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > and revisions. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful >>> > >>>> experiment >>> > >>>> in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is >>> starting >>> > >>>> to fall >>> > >>>> apart. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along >>> the very >>> > >>>> same >>> > >>>> lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan >>> with this >>> > >>>> limited set of rules: >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at >>> 00:00 >>> > >>>> * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after >>> the >>> > >>>> floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee >>> > >>>> members >>> > >>>> * Any committee member may declare a modification to be >>> significant >>> > >>>> such that >>> > >>>> it is required to be approved by the committee >>> > >>>> * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be >>> uninstalled, >>> > >>>> moved, >>> > >>>> disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after >>> March >>> > >>>> 3rd >>> > >>>> without unaminous approval from the committee members >>> > >>>> * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 >>> > >>>> * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority >>> approval >>> > >>>> from >>> > >>>> the committee members or a Membership proposal >>> > >>>> * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list >>> > >>>> * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the >>> committee >>> > >>>> membership >>> > >>>> roster >>> > >>>> * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The >>> > >>>> Membership >>> > >>>> * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a >>> committee >>> > >>>> member >>> > >>>> * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the >>> > >>>> committee >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work >>> from >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> and >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > start moving stuff into the designated areas. >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > The members will take it from there, knowing that a final >>> floorplan >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> exists. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep >>> on >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> bickering >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way >>> about >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> this or >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > that. >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> August 1st >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> other. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>wrote: >>> > >>>> > > On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: >>> > >>>> > > > What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected >>> again >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> in an >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > > > L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could >>> fit >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> the 21 >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > > > people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> machine shop >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > > > from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> load/unload from >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > > > the garage door including the basement & 4x8 sheets to the >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> machine room. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > > > The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom >>> and >>> > >>>> > > > something >>> > >>>> > > > else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get >>> 21 >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> unpacked. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > > 2 >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > > weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> floorplans since >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > > any >>> > >>>> > > such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get >>> told >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> how >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> > > wrong my >>> > >>>> > > ideas are without any real logical argument. >>> > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > >>>> > > Discuss@synhak.org >>> > >>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>>> Discuss mailing list >>> > >>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>> > >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >>> >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> Discuss mailing list >>> > >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>> > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Discuss mailing list >>> > >> Discuss@synhak.org >>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@synhak.org >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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