On ב', 2005-11-21 at 22:02 +0000, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
> > > Can you show me a spec that says that "Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > charset=iso-8859-8" in email messages should be handled as Visual Hebrew?
> > 
> > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1556.html
> > 
> > In a closely-related field, ISO-8859-8 is considered "visual" for the
> > purpose of HTML's mime encoding.
> 
> This request for comments from 1993 discusses an unexisting nowadays
> concept, "Hebrew in Visual mode", so it is really irrelevant in 2005.

Get a reality check:
Internet Explorer treats ISO-8859-8 as Visual.
Outlook (Express) treats ISO-8859-8 as Visual.
Thunderbird treats ISO-8859-8 as Visual.

> There is only one standard Hebrew specific charset, ISO-8859-8.

You're leading an argument over semantics. RFC1556 extends the meaning
of "charset" in MIME messages beyond the original meaning of "charset".
What you just said is both correct and incorrect: correct for the casual
sense of the word charset and incorrect for the MIME sense of the word.

> "iconv --list" and "fribidi --help" list this correctly. Everywhere
> you see text in ISO-8859-8 encoding, this _always_ means logical Hebrew,
> in dozens of programs, including text editors.

Those text editors might be talking about charsets in the non-MIME sense
of the word.

> I repeat, kmail is buggy. If it wants to show Hebrew incorrectly, from
> left to right, it may do this as an option, but by default iso-8859-8 
> should be considered logical Hebrew.

In order to become incompatible with the rest of the MIME-speaking
world? Yay. (Not like linux-il is the place for KDE bug reports, so I
don't even know why we're discussing this here.)

> > Windows clients would typically send you text encoded as "windows-1255"
> > or UTF-8.
> 
> How ironical. RFC 1555 (also from 1993) says "All Hebrew text when
> transferred via e-mail must first be translated into ISO-8859-8".  

Ironic indeed. Guess we'll just keep compatible with the defacto MIME
standard.


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